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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2017 6:18:03 GMT
Here is a job i should have done ages ago! The folding screen has always been supported by a prop with dowels on the hatch. It's a pain as it needs its position changing depending on whether the hatch is open or shut, odd times Mrs Gazza has forgotten the prop, gave the hatch a shove from inside and down it comes, putting a fair bit of stress on the 50 year old screen when the canopy is up. It was also gouging a fair bit of wood out of the frame, I had to put some filler in while we were away to keep it located something like right. Rather than bend a couple of bits of rod and use them like a bonnet prop as most folding screens - and certainly the ali framed Mk2 Elysians are done like this, I wanted a neater sollution. Rigging screws were the obvious answer, but to get the reach I wanted it would have been a dirty great M16 thing, far too big and clumsy for what I wanted. So the answer was this. Cut and shut a M8 rigging screw with a 150mm long piece of 12mm bore Stainless tube. To fit them i needed an eye plate for the bottom and folding lashing eyes so the screen can still fold up fairly flat, eye plates would have been too tall and would have stressed the hinges when one leaf was folded onto the other. Fitted. It's opened the view out of the screen nicely, It's got me another job though, I can now tidy the hatch top up as it no longer needs dowel holes to stop the prop falling over.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2017 13:46:59 GMT
Dad has disappeared off to darkest Suffolk armed with his mast and a smile. Next job to prepare for is the replacement of the rudder and wire rope steering on the Ormelite Northern Star, The steering became very stiff while she was layed up over the winter, it freed off so it was usable but after laying idle afloat for a couple of months is is once more very stiff . The decision has been taken to renew the rudder and stock with a stainless steel one, fabricate a new rudder lower bush bracket and fit a Teleflex type steering system in place of the old wire rope and quadrant system. I cant do too much till she is slipped but one job that could be tackled was fabricating the rudder tiller arm assembly for attaching the Teleflex cable to the rudder stock. A pair of 1" split clamps were the start of the the job. A bit of machining, welding and a lick of spray paint (blue was the only colour to hand!) turned those split clamps into this The split clamps were drilled to take a pair of M6 grub screws (two in each half, one to act as locking screw) which in turn will be dimpled into the rudder stock to prevent any possibility of the arm moving on the rudder stock. A boss was turned to take an oilite bush so the Teleflex pivot pin is a nice fit and free of any play. Not much more to do until she is out of the water in the middle of November, perfect timing for short days, long nights and the cold!
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Post by JohnV on Sept 18, 2017 14:02:13 GMT
nice job Gazza !!!
I was looking at Shapfell's steering before I left Benfleet as the rudder is beginning to look a bit worse for wear. That's a neat solution but I think mine will just have to do until I sell her (or until it falls to bits)
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2017 14:09:31 GMT
nice job Gazza !!! I was looking at Shapfell's steering before I left Benfleet as the rudder is beginning to look a bit worse for wear. That's a neat solution but I think mine will just have to do until I sell her (or until it falls to bits) Ta! The nearest Vetus part is £72! www.asap-supplies.com/steering-and-controls/rudders-tiller-armsAt 30mm bore i would have had to bugger about making a sleeve to fit it to a 1" shaft as the original 1" rudder gland is going to be reused . Copious amounts of oil on Shapfell's rudder stock is a lesson learned the hard way by my friend!
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Post by Andyberg on Sept 18, 2017 20:48:41 GMT
Week off work and working on boat from tomorrow morning involves,..
generator raw water pump fitting, commissioning and checking ok. Aux central heating fuel tank plumbing into Bubble & Webasto systems. Refit Webasto after using it on a pals boat whilst his was being fixed. Oil (instead of varnish) oak doors. Varnish stumbled cabin sides. Look into/ fix calorifier leak.
But more likely, predominantly Drinking beer!!🍻🍻
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Post by JohnV on Sept 19, 2017 5:56:50 GMT
(Sorry Andy .... can't resist)...... you normally do your stumbling after drinking the beer ...... and your scumbling before
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Post by Andyberg on Sept 20, 2017 21:01:49 GMT
Week off work and working on boat from tomorrow morning involves,.. generator raw water pump fitting, commissioning and checking ok. Aux central heating fuel tank plumbing into Bubble & Webasto systems. Refit Webasto after using it on a pals boat whilst his was being fixed. Oil (instead of varnish) oak doors. Varnish stumbled cabin sides. Look into/ fix calorifier leak But more likely, predominantly Drinking beer!!🍻🍻 Fuel tank finally plumbed into both Bubble & Webasto boilers now..tested leak free with help from Lollygagger...cheers dude! Drinking beer still has the upper hand in the ' To Do ' list alas!!🙄 Tomorrow...refit & test Webasto central heating ( and then drink beer!)
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Post by lollygagger on Sept 20, 2017 21:10:51 GMT
Thanks for the cable Andy, job jobbed.
My list is too long but I've spent the past few weeks refitting both ends of my boat, moving water tank from one end of boat to the other, moving pump, a radiator, sockets, lighting wiring, making extra bedroom, turning existing bedroom into a bedsit, making drawers and cupboards... When I'm finished I'm going to lie in bed watching telly for 6 months.
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Post by JohnV on Sept 21, 2017 6:50:14 GMT
Since leaving the drydock and getting here to Goole, I have been pretty lazy (apart from trying to catch up on the housework) I have spent a couple of days playing with an elderly air rib (together with a nice little Yamaha outboard) that I bought in Benfleet before I left. It had several leaks in the inflatable floor plus leaks round the valves in the tubes. I re glued the valves successfully but the floor was a nightmare and ended up looking like a cartoonist inflatable ..... all patches and still leaking.
I didn't pay a lot for it and the little outboard was virtually brand new and almost worth the whole amount, so I wasn't too upset. Anyway decided to throw out the floor and make my own ...... bought a sheet of 50mm PU foam insulation cut it to shape and fitted a sheet of thin ply on top !!! seems to work ok but there is a leak somewhere in the floor so you do end up with a bit of water inside after it has been going for an hour or so, still it is a handy tender although you can no longer roll it up !!!
Was going to take it for a spin up the canal this morning but it's peeing down so I guess it's back in the engine room for a bit more work finishing off the second generator.
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Post by bargemast on Sept 22, 2017 8:14:37 GMT
nice job Gazza !!! I was looking at Shapfell's steering before I left Benfleet as the rudder is beginning to look a bit worse for wear. That's a neat solution but I think mine will just have to do until I sell her (or until it falls to bits) Ta! The nearest Vetus part is £72! www.asap-supplies.com/steering-and-controls/rudders-tiller-armsAt 30mm bore i would have had to bugger about making a sleeve to fit it to a 1" shaft as the original 1" rudder gland is going to be reused . Copious amounts of oil on Shapfell's rudder stock is a lesson learned the hard way by my friend! So that's another £72 you can keep in your pocket, if you add up all the money you've saved by doing these jobs yourself, and even better than if you would have worked with bought parts, you would almost be a millionaire by now Peter.
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Post by bargemast on Sept 22, 2017 8:21:39 GMT
Since leaving the drydock and getting here to Goole, I have been pretty lazy (apart from trying to catch up on the housework) I have spent a couple of days playing with an elderly air rib (together with a nice little Yamaha outboard) that I bought in Benfleet before I left. It had several leaks in the inflatable floor plus leaks round the valves in the tubes. I re glued the valves successfully but the floor was a nightmare and ended up looking like a cartoonist inflatable ..... all patches and still leaking. I didn't pay a lot for it and the little outboard was virtually brand new and almost worth the whole amount, so I wasn't too upset. Anyway decided to throw out the floor and make my own ...... bought a sheet of 50mm PU foam insulation cut it to shape and fitted a sheet of thin ply on top !!! seems to work ok but there is a leak somewhere in the floor so you do end up with a bit of water inside after it has been going for an hour or so, still it is a handy tender although you can no longer roll it up !!! Was going to take it for a spin up the canal this morning but it's peeing down so I guess it's back in the engine room for a bit more work finishing off the second generator. With the nice little Yamaha outboard that was part of your buy, you probably got reasonable value for money anyway, even if the boat isn't in the best of shapes. I was wondering however, how you can roll up a RIB, as the "R" part makes that pretty hard to do, I never managed to roll mine up, but there may be an unknown (to me) trick to do this. I wish you lot of fun playing with this new floating addition to your fleet Peter.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2017 8:26:11 GMT
Ta! The nearest Vetus part is £72! www.asap-supplies.com/steering-and-controls/rudders-tiller-armsAt 30mm bore i would have had to bugger about making a sleeve to fit it to a 1" shaft as the original 1" rudder gland is going to be reused . Copious amounts of oil on Shapfell's rudder stock is a lesson learned the hard way by my friend! So that's another £72 you can keep in your pocket, if you add up all the money you've saved by doing these jobs yourself, and even better than if you would have worked with bought parts, you would almost be a millionaire by now Peter. My friend is a Toolmaker in Swindon, he and I both reckon that without access to materials, machine tools and welding sets we would never be able to afford boats, Sidecars, self build motor-homes etc! The biggest issue, even with things like mass produced boats is that its 40+ years since they went out of production meaning off the shelf parts are not always available or are ridiculously expensive. If I charged labour for the jobs i'd also be a lot more wealthy! As it is, there are only a select few on the helping hands list, gone are the days of doing work for all and sundry! I'm currently turning the ends of Fairlight's old propshaft which is going to have a new lease of life as Northern Star's rudder stock, Don't loose it - Re-use it as Rocky on Paw Patrol says
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Post by bargemast on Sept 22, 2017 11:09:18 GMT
So that's another £72 you can keep in your pocket, if you add up all the money you've saved by doing these jobs yourself, and even better than if you would have worked with bought parts, you would almost be a millionaire by now Peter. My friend is a Toolmaker in Swindon, he and I both reckon that without access to materials, machine tools and welding sets we would never be able to afford boats, Sidecars, self build motor-homes etc! The biggest issue, even with things like mass produced boats is that its 40+ years since they went out of production meaning off the shelf parts are not always available or are ridiculously expensive. If I charged labour for the jobs i'd also be a lot more wealthy! As it is, there are only a select few on the helping hands list, gone are the days of doing work for all and sundry! I'm currently turning the ends of Fairlight's old propshaft which is going to have a new lease of life as Northern Star's rudder stock, Don't loose it - Re-use it as Rocky on Paw Patrol says Of course you and your toolmaker friend are right, if you start talking about labour you can't win, but the satisfaction of having been able to produce a needed part yourself, that's possibly (or even quite likely) of better quality than a mass produced of the shelf part, is more then worth your time and effort, and even more if it's not available anymore. Peter.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2017 11:28:50 GMT
My friend is a Toolmaker in Swindon, he and I both reckon that without access to materials, machine tools and welding sets we would never be able to afford boats, Sidecars, self build motor-homes etc! The biggest issue, even with things like mass produced boats is that its 40+ years since they went out of production meaning off the shelf parts are not always available or are ridiculously expensive. If I charged labour for the jobs i'd also be a lot more wealthy! As it is, there are only a select few on the helping hands list, gone are the days of doing work for all and sundry! I'm currently turning the ends of Fairlight's old propshaft which is going to have a new lease of life as Northern Star's rudder stock, Don't loose it - Re-use it as Rocky on Paw Patrol says Of course you and your toolmaker friend are right, if you start talking about labour you can't win, but the satisfaction of having been able to produce a needed part yourself, that's possibly (or even quite likely) of better quality than a mass produced of the shelf part, is more then worth your time and effort, and even more if it's not available anymore. Peter. We were talking about this at work the other day, it's easy to have a slightly jaundiced view, but, the lack of practical skills many people my age (Generation X) and younger millennials is something that marks a lot of what is wrong with society. Many lads I went to school with had no interest in getting a dirty hands job, lot's spent their time farting about with games consuls and computers. Fast forward to the millennials and this situation is even worse, My 10 years younger brother in law cant wire a plug or build flat pack furniture, let alone make things or repair things! He is however, a whiz on IT stuff, having spent too long as a kid staring at a screen when he should have been playing outside or taking things to bits and putting them back together (with varying degrees of success!) I know a fair bit of blame lays with parents who don't have the skills to pass on, and the shrinking of the manufacturing base in the UK along with schools not being able to have 'dangerous' machinery availablr to pupils, but, it's a sad old do as the decline cant be stopped
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Post by Andyberg on Sept 22, 2017 14:27:43 GMT
Of course you and your toolmaker friend are right, if you start talking about labour you can't win, but the satisfaction of having been able to produce a needed part yourself, that's possibly (or even quite likely) of better quality than a mass produced of the shelf part, is more then worth your time and effort, and even more if it's not available anymore. Peter. I know a fair bit of blame lays with parents who don't have the skills to pass on, and the shrinking of the manufacturing base in the UK along with schools not being able to have 'dangerous' machinery availablr to pupils, but, it's a sad old do as the decline cant be stopped There's a lot of truth in that..As a teenager, my father who was an ex steam engineer in the Navy and then the railways, later becoming maintenance engineer at AC Delco Liverpool, taught me a lot of the basics with fiddling with bikes and then motor crossers, also we studied metalwork using actual machines and engineering drawing at school, that's all gone now! I've always enjoyed building 'special' one off bikes and the actual motorbike preparation to riding bikes. I managed get an engineering apprenticeship upon leaving school due to that input from my dad as a child, making it a deep interest of mine. As as you say, it's all Gameboy and social media crap with kids now, plus the lack of 'hands on' experiences and decline of manufacturing industry here in the UK means it's a tough job for kids to follow the engineering career route!
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