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Post by Clinton Cool on Aug 13, 2017 7:05:06 GMT
I reckon Foxy meant keep the thread going, rather than the engine
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Post by patty on Aug 13, 2017 7:08:04 GMT
Thats awful...hope whatever it is is the cheapest that it can be...if u get my drift
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Post by naughtyfox on Aug 13, 2017 7:26:28 GMT
Keep going, it will be interesting to know what it actually is. Hmmmmm!!! I don't think he has an option to "keep going" otherwise he ain't going to be "going anywhere" I meant 'keep going' as in to continue telling us what happens - what is wrong with the engine. I forget if Ricco has said what engine, how old, etc. (yes, he probably has), so others here could rummage through Google to see if there have been similar/same issues with that type of engine. I'm sort of of the opinion anyway, that when an engine is 'old' (20 years?) it should be torn to pieces and all the bearings replaced anyway, piston and cylinder liner, and so on. This needn't be at great cost if only there were places properly set up to do this kind of work - in and out in one afternoon. There is definitely a niche in the market for someone who wants to operate a boatyard efficiently, like, say, a McDonalds.
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Post by naughtyfox on Aug 13, 2017 7:29:19 GMT
Keep going, it will be interesting to know what it actually is. Hmmmmm!!! I don't think he has an option to "keep going" otherwise he ain't going to be "going anywhere" He could spend a year or two being towed? Would save on fuel = environment friendly?!! We'll be down that way around July 2018 so if he can just hang around a bit we can pull him to Oxford, via Wolverhampton and Leicester.
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Post by Clinton Cool on Aug 13, 2017 8:07:12 GMT
Thanks to more help from Tony Dunkley of this parish I'm closer to knowing what's wrong. A fuel issue has been ruled out. It was bled half to death, clean diesel was spouting from the injectors. The boatyard tried the dreaded easy start, it wouldn't start with that. Had the rocker cover off. The valves definitely need adjusting but the rockers appeared to be working as they should. That's a relief. When I turned the engine over fumes came from one area, think they are called push rods? This shouldn't happen I'm told, it means that the head gasket has gone, at best. We won't know if the head is either cracked or needs skimming until it's taken off, next week sometime. This could still be a very big and expensive job but I'm relieved in a way, at least I know a little more now. Bummer, there goes my theory of a cheap fix! Still, we ruled the air filter and gearbox out 👍 Gazza my engine is the M2.04 2 pot 500cc. I believe you're in the know about these engines? I'm trying to source a new head gasket without paying 77 quid for a gold plated Vetus one. Do you happen to know what Mitsubishi base these engines are built on, so I can maybe source one from a Mitsubishi dealer?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2017 8:36:44 GMT
Bummer, there goes my theory of a cheap fix! Still, we ruled the air filter and gearbox out 👍 Gazza my engine is the M2.04 2 pot 500cc. I believe you're in the know about these engines? I'm trying to source a new head gasket without paying 77 quid for a gold plated Vetus one. Do you happen to know what Mitsubishi base these engines are built on, so I can maybe source one from a Mitsubishi dealer? Just Google the engine number. You will need the number to get one from autofactors as well.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2017 9:32:35 GMT
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Post by bargemast on Aug 15, 2017 17:41:10 GMT
Hi ricco, I'm sorry to hear about your problems. You can try to obtain a cylinderhead gasget of the 2 pot industrial Mitsubishi engine which is 635cc like your engine should be, if I can believe what Vetus documentation says. www.det-mitsubishi.com/en/mitsubishi-diesel-engines/motoren/l-serie-4-17-kwHope you'll be able to repair your engine without breaking your bank-account. Peter.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2017 18:07:04 GMT
Hi ricco, I'm sorry to hear about your problems. You can try to obtain a cylinderhead gasget of the 2 pot industrial Mitsubishi engine which is 635cc like your engine should be, if I can believe what Vetus documentation says. www.det-mitsubishi.com/en/mitsubishi-diesel-engines/motoren/l-serie-4-17-kwHope you'll be able to repair your engine without breaking your bank-account. Peter. The dastardly logistics people at our place have sent my little ThermoKing reefer over to the Isle of Man, I'm buggered if I can find my service log for it either If you struggle to obtain parts at sensible prices for it ThermoKing are another route to go down, they fitted thousands of those engines to little 7.5T refrigerated trucks.
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Post by Clinton Cool on Aug 15, 2017 18:16:25 GMT
My engine is the 464cc version. I eventually found the engine number, barely legible. This has paved the way towards getting Mitsubishi parts rather than gold plated Vetus ones. Tony Dunkley is on to it, waiting to hear back from a Mitsubishi dealer. He's hoping to come over sometime this week, work out the extent of the damage, here's hoping the cylinder head isn't toast!
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Post by bargemast on Aug 15, 2017 18:22:04 GMT
Hi ricco, I'm sorry to hear about your problems. You can try to obtain a cylinderhead gasget of the 2 pot industrial Mitsubishi engine which is 635cc like your engine should be, if I can believe what Vetus documentation says. www.det-mitsubishi.com/en/mitsubishi-diesel-engines/motoren/l-serie-4-17-kwHope you'll be able to repair your engine without breaking your bank-account. Peter. The dastardly logistics people at our place have sent my little ThermoKing reefer over to the Isle of Man, I'm buggered if I can find my service log for it either If you struggle to obtain parts at sensible prices for it ThermoKing are another route to go down, they fitted thousands of those engines to little 7.5T refrigerated trucks. Your Thermo-King story reminded me that I still have a Thermo-King 4 cylinder made by Isuzu 2.2D with very low hours that I bought years ago stupidly thinking (what else would you expect from me ?) that it was a gen-set, but it was just an electromotor that drove the compressor when the rig could be connected to shore power, if not the compressor was driven through the centrifugal clutch by the diesel engine. Peter.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2017 18:28:29 GMT
The dastardly logistics people at our place have sent my little ThermoKing reefer over to the Isle of Man, I'm buggered if I can find my service log for it either If you struggle to obtain parts at sensible prices for it ThermoKing are another route to go down, they fitted thousands of those engines to little 7.5T refrigerated trucks. Your Thermo-King story reminded me that I still have a Thermo-King 4 cylinder made by Isuzu 2.2D with very low hours that I bought years ago stupidly thinking (what else would you expect from me ?) that it was a gen-set, but it was just an electromotor that drove the compressor when the rig could be connected to shore power, if not the compressor was driven through the centrifugal clutch by the diesel engine. Peter. Same set up on the small stuff. Be a good engine to power a boat once the rack was altered to throttle control 👍🚢⚓ I've got me eye on a genset Carrier Transicold Kubota v2203 that may go begging before long, I have a tame diesel specialist just down the road that could sort the pump for me. Not holding my breath that it will come off though...
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Post by bargemast on Aug 15, 2017 18:36:32 GMT
Your Thermo-King story reminded me that I still have a Thermo-King 4 cylinder made by Isuzu 2.2D with very low hours that I bought years ago stupidly thinking (what else would you expect from me ?) that it was a gen-set, but it was just an electromotor that drove the compressor when the rig could be connected to shore power, if not the compressor was driven through the centrifugal clutch by the diesel engine. Peter. Same set up on the small stuff. Be a good engine to power a boat once the rack was altered to throttle control 👍🚢⚓ I've got me eye on a genset Carrier Transicold Kubota v2203 that may go begging before long, I have a tame diesel specialist just down the road that could sort the pump for me. Not holding my breath that it will come off though... Yes, I suppose that it could be a good boat engine, I think that it has about 35 Hp, and instead of a timing belt that the Isuzu car engines have, this one has gears, it should be a most reliable engine as hauliers can't afford breakdowns that will ruin their cargo. Peter.
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Post by Clinton Cool on Aug 28, 2017 20:49:30 GMT
Update on this: Tony came over today. Bit of a nightmare really. The engine is so inacessible that we couldn't even find the inject and tdc marks to check the timing. Tony suggested we need to remove the engine so we cracked on. I'm sure Tony won't mind me saying; I'm younger and more nimble so I set about getting the engine ready to be lifted out, under his guidance. Most of the way there now, just the engine mountings to undo, remove the propshaft however that's done, tie the exhaust out of the way, undo a few rogue wires. I've learned quite a bit today!
Tony's best guess is that it's a badly blown head gasket and/ or the timing has slipped. That's the best case scenario. If it's worse than that I'll probably be looking at a replacement engine.
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Post by naughtyfox on Aug 28, 2017 21:11:45 GMT
Thanks for update. Good on Tony for helping out.
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