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Post by kris on Oct 27, 2017 7:19:20 GMT
Anecdotally it seems to me that a lot of boaters who have been on the water along time are selling up and leaving. One couple I spoke to yesterday used the term in the title and I had to agree with them. Crt do seem to be removing the fun from living on the water. It seems there plan is to have lots less boats but charge them more money, so that their income doesn't suffer. This is crt managements big plan and idea of fairness.
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Post by Telemachus on Oct 27, 2017 7:50:12 GMT
Anecdotally it seems to me that a lot of boaters who have been on the water along time are selling up and leaving. One couple I spoke to yesterday used the term in the title and I had to agree with them. Crt do seem to be removing the fun from living on the water. It seems there plan is to have lots less boats but charge them more money, so that their income doesn't suffer. This is crt managements big plan and idea of fairness. CRT haven’t sucked out any of my boating fun. Well, perhaps the increasing number of emergency stoppages is an issue. i think perhaps you are referring to CRT sucking the fun out of people who have become accustomed to a certain lifestyle that they’re probably not entitled to, or living on the edge of that. CRT haven’t sucked the fun out leisure boaters, who are still I think in the majority. They haven’t sucked the fun out of the many people who live aboard but have a mooring. They haven’t sucked the fun out of people who live aboard and CC with the aim of exploring the network. So we are left with the group who CC but want to stay in a relatively small area due to work, kids etc. Being “on the edge” of the legislation and testing the boundaries is bound to become un-fun after a while, especially considering the vagueness of the legislation and uncertainties consequentially arising. I wonder what % of boaters that group represents?
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Post by bodger on Oct 27, 2017 7:53:02 GMT
exactly in fact, as far as I am concerned, continuous lines of permanent moorers are what saps the pleasure out of boating in many places.
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Post by kris on Oct 27, 2017 7:59:47 GMT
I thought that might get a reaction from Nick😛
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2017 8:03:05 GMT
Kris, I suspect you received the responses you anticipated. The longer I am 'into' boating, the more people I see come and go. The ones leaving invariably have developed a negative attitude, being part of the reason for selling up. I think it's important to remain focussed on what it is I love about boating, and to enjoy it. I suspect C&RT will be a thing of the past within a few years, and some other incarnation will have taken over. Let's hope it will be a centrally funded, and more realistically managed. Enjoy your boating, as I'm certain you do Rog
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Post by Mr Stabby on Oct 27, 2017 8:04:44 GMT
Can't say I've ever had any dealings with CRT to be honest. I mean, I have to pay them a licence fee and I'd rather not, but I sort of accept that this goes with the territory.
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Post by kris on Oct 27, 2017 8:07:26 GMT
Sorry to disavow you both of the stereo types you are putting forward, but the couple I talked to yesterday where a perfectly normal older couple who spend their winters in a marina. Sorry this was mainly aimed at Nick and badger, but some people posted before I could post.
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Post by Mr Stabby on Oct 27, 2017 8:09:17 GMT
Sorry to disavow you both of the stereo types you are putting forward, but the couple I talked to yesterday where a perfectly normal older couple who spend their winters in a marina. Did they expand on the reasons they felt CRT were sucking the fun out of boating?
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Post by kris on Oct 27, 2017 8:18:07 GMT
Sorry to disavow you both of the stereo types you are putting forward, but the couple I talked to yesterday where a perfectly normal older couple who spend their winters in a marina. Did they expand on the reasons they felt CRT were sucking the fun out of boating? Yes they did, it seems the profusion of 48hr moorings and increasingly draconian stance of crt was the crux of it. But I agree sometimes you come to the end of an activity being fun or appropriate for you and then it's best to stop. They are not the only couple I've talked to who have voiced similar views. I suppose if you've been on the water since the early nineties and remember the "good old days" then it might be difficult to adjust to the new regime. It seems like all of the recent measures are skewed towards marina dwelling boaters advantage including this liscence fee review or what ever it is. I suppose if you leave your mooring for two weeks a few times a year you might not be effected adversely. The couple I spoke to yesterday moor in a marina for the winter and then cruise for the whole summer.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2017 8:25:24 GMT
Sorry to disavow you both of the stereo types you are putting forward, but the couple I talked to yesterday where a perfectly normal older couple who spend their winters in a marina. Sorry this was mainly aimed at Nick and badger, but some people posted before I could post. It is a fact that crt are sucking the life out of canal boat ownership. I suspect those denying this tend to not interact with others on the canals, and therefore have little, or no idea of what's going on around them. Low and behold, both Nick and bodger are straight in. The posts these two have made previously epitomizes my statement above.
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Post by Mr Stabby on Oct 27, 2017 8:30:23 GMT
For an alleged salary of £188,000 (plus perks and bonuses) I think it is very poor management when so many lock paddles have been broken for years, and that the canals haven't been dredged properly. Salaries like that, when the work simply has not been done by the managers, is taking the piss. It's not fun to be presented with a friendly face whilst getting a good kick to the nuts at the same time. As regards the licence fee, I do bear in mind how much the amount of water would cost if we had to pay for it at normal domestic rates (as has been pointed out here before by Mr Stabby I do believe). Tuel Lane Lock alone is 140,000 gallons! Goodness knows what Lemonroyd Lock must have used for our one boat! I know Southern Water charges 63p for 40 gallons of domestic water. Lemonroyd lock is about 70,000 cubic feet, or 436,000 gallons so at domestic water prices it would cost just under £7,000 to use it.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2017 8:34:00 GMT
For an alleged salary of £188,000 (plus perks and bonuses) I think it is very poor management when so many lock paddles have been broken for years, and that the canals haven't been dredged properly. Salaries like that, when the work simply has not been done by the managers, is taking the piss. It's not fun to be presented with a friendly face whilst getting a good kick to the nuts at the same time. As regards the licence fee, I do bear in mind how much the amount of water would cost if we had to pay for it at normal domestic rates (as has been pointed out here before by Mr Stabby I do believe). Tuel Lane Lock alone is 140,000 gallons! Goodness knows what Lemonroyd Lock must have used for our one boat! I know Southern Water charges 63p for 40 gallons of domestic water. Lemonroyd lock is about 70,000 cubic feet, or 436,000 gallons so at domestic water prices it would cost just under £7,000 to use it. No comparison can be applied using that really. Southern water carry out all sorts of tricks in order to get that water to your tap. Crt just pray for rain.
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Post by kris on Oct 27, 2017 8:35:35 GMT
Sorry to disavow you both of the stereo types you are putting forward, but the couple I talked to yesterday where a perfectly normal older couple who spend their winters in a marina. Sorry this was mainly aimed at Nick and badger, but some people posted before I could post. It is a fact that crt are sucking the life out of canal boat ownership. I suspect those denying this tend to not interact with others on the canals, and therefore have little, or no idea of what's going on around them. Low and behold, both Nick and bodger are straight in. The posts these two have made previously epitomizes my statement above. Yes it seems there are certain boaters have the "I'm alright jack" mentality about it.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2017 8:46:03 GMT
I know Southern Water charges 63p for 40 gallons of domestic water. Lemonroyd lock is about 70,000 cubic feet, or 436,000 gallons so at domestic water prices it would cost just under £7,000 to use it. No comparison can be applied using that really. Southern water carry out all sorts of tricks in order to get that water to your tap. Crt just pray for rain. Do you have ze dossier? I have the horseshoe.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2017 8:53:32 GMT
Things have changed over the years but I still find I can enjoy a cruise on the cut. I have had a few back and forth trips through London recently. Towpath is packed (obviously) but I like going quite slow and prefer having the locks to myself (boat is to wide to share but I also like doing 100% of boat handling and lock work myself) so the fact nobody moves much suits me quite nicely.
I don't find it particularly different to how its been over the 23 years I've been on the cut. I mean when actually out boating. My cc boat has been subject to high level enforcement (6 month license etc) which is a fairly recent phenomenon but fair because I have kept it in a fairly small geographical area.
People sell up and leave the cut for all sorts of reasons. Moaning about CRT could just be an excuse. It might be they get fed up on a tin tube anyway and as for living in a marina all winter !!
Things have become more awkward for people who live on the margins but this is always bound to happen.
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