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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2017 15:13:55 GMT
This raises quite an important technical point Did Steve Hudson build any cruiser sterns? I thought they were all trad. It's a bit awkward and slightly risky to have a G&T on the back deck (should be 'stern deck" btw) on a trad style narrow boat. Plus the fact that with only the gunwhales along the cabin sides and the counter to stand on, there isn't really anywhere for the butler to stand at a suitably respectful distance whilst awaiting his master's next instructions. a butlers job is not necessarily standing up !
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Post by JohnV on Oct 27, 2017 15:16:52 GMT
Don't know Kris, I seem to remember people saying the same things about BWB thirty odd years ago. If those people who are moaning and leaving are people who are only on the cut because they can't find/afford something ashore, then my attitude is "Good". Why is that? Do you feel about that to all those people in that situation? I feel like that about it because they have little/no interest in the long term health of the system, they are only there, as I say because they can't find/afford something else. They (mostly) couldn't give a toss if the canal is un-navigable, as long as they can stay in there "cheap" housing. Even worse though are the "rented homes" brigade Yes I am aware that that is not all of them and many come to love life on the water ...... but most do not. eta I am sympathetic to those who have trouble finding a home ..... but the inland waterways is not a social housing proiject and should not become one .... it is a navigation authority
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2017 15:37:33 GMT
I'll add to what John has posted.
The point is that in almost all situations it is necessary to pay for accommodation in this country and there will be a market rate for this in particular areas (cost of living). OK so you can probably get away with living in a bus in some places like wales or whatever but basically in high demand areas accomodation = ££ this is simply a fact of life and if you can not afford it you move somewhere else and/or claim housing benefit.
If you have a system (as is currently the case) where living on a boat is stupidly cheap it is obviously going to cause a lot of people to do it and become concentrated in certain high demand areas.
It's really not rocket science. Usually when a large number of people take advantage of a loophole the result is that the loophole is closed off by an authority. There really is nothing new under the sun.
I'm 100% in favour of ribbon development of canals in popular areas for residential use but I'm in a minority and I also suspect not many people would want to pay mooring fees similar to land based accommodation rent.
"Oh yes I love the lifestyle as long as it is cheap".
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Post by TonyDunkley on Oct 27, 2017 16:18:33 GMT
You lucky, lucky bastard What I wouldn't give to be banned for life. I DREAM of being banned for life ! Luck doesn't come into it, . . . it's just down to sheer class ! In fact, I've now been permanently banned four times, . . twice under my own name, once as 'Phil Atterley', and once as 'George Langton'. Nb. George Langton is in fact better known, to C&RT/Shoosmiths at least, as a prospective buyer of the Liverpool Lightship advised by his lawyers that C&RT had no legal title to the ship and therefore could not lawfully sell it, and to whom they sent some very useful, and somewhat damning, written material in an attempt to persuade him otherwise. The exchanges of correspondence revealed that C&RT/Shoosmiths were very well aware of the truth as to where legal title to the ship remained after the illegal seizure, but in addition to an e-mail acknowledging the true (legal) position from Criminal Boat Services, included a letter from C&RT's comedy queen solicitor, Thami Nomvete, bullshitting on at length to the opposite effect and reassuring any prospective purchasers that C&RT's 'contractual rights' enabled them to pass on 'good title' to anyone paying them the asking price.
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Post by bodger on Oct 27, 2017 16:30:22 GMT
I'm 100% in favour of ribbon development of canals in popular areas for residential use but I'm in a minority and I also suspect not many people would want to pay mooring fees similar to land based accommodation rent. perhaps the residents would like to finance the construction of a bypass canal to allow bona fide navigators to proceed at a reasonable speed whilst not upsetting the residents who expect boats to pass miles of moored floating homes boats at a speed where steerage way is lost.
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Post by bodger on Oct 27, 2017 16:33:19 GMT
is it just me or does a quick reading of the thread title suggest CRT is fucking the sun ....... ?
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Post by TonyDunkley on Oct 27, 2017 16:38:46 GMT
is it just me or does a quick reading of the thread title suggest CRT is fucking the sun ....... ? Perhaps it should do, . . . after all they have fucked everything else !
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2017 16:55:43 GMT
is it just me or does a quick reading of the thread title suggest CRT is fucking the sun ....... ? No I keep getting that too. I was going to mention it but I know how sensitive people here are about swearing and rudeness.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2017 16:59:04 GMT
I'm 100% in favour of ribbon development of canals in popular areas for residential use but I'm in a minority and I also suspect not many people would want to pay mooring fees similar to land based accommodation rent. perhaps the residents would like to finance the construction of a bypass canal to allow bona fide navigators to proceed at a reasonable speed whilst not upsetting the residents who expect boats to pass miles of moored floating homes boats at a speed where steerage way is lost. No You don't have to slow down to a snails pace to pass moored boats if they are tied up properly on secure mooring attachment points. It all requires a bit of education on both sides and I am convinced that static residential units are compatible with cruising vessels on all canals. And the dickhead high speed cyclists can just fuck right off
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2017 17:02:25 GMT
perhaps the residents would like to finance the construction of a bypass canal to allow bona fide navigators to proceed at a reasonable speed whilst not upsetting the residents who expect boats to pass miles of moored floating homes boats at a speed where steerage way is lost. No You don't have to slow down to a snails pace to pass moored boats if they are tied up properly on secure mooring attachment points. It all requires a bit of education on both sides and I am convinced that static residential units are compatible with cruising vessels on all canals. And the dickhead high speed cyclists can just fuck right off I think that's what the whole marina strategy is about but unless CRT can gain financially from marinas its not really worth it. Would be better to put in on line residential moorings and signs saying "cameras in operation if you pass this site at more than 3.5mph your license fee will be increased by 2% above inflation" Or similar.
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Post by Telemachus on Oct 27, 2017 17:08:12 GMT
Yes I suppose if you just mingle with Hudson owners and other £100,000 boat owners then everything must seem fine. G@T on the back deck anyone. This raises quite an important technical point Did Steve Hudson build any cruiser sterns? I thought they were all trad. It's a bit awkward and slightly risky to have a G&T on the back deck (should be 'stern deck" btw) on a trad style narrow boat. No, yes, yes, no. We often have a G&T on the “back deck” - well me on the step and Jeff sitting on the hatch side. Well that is, when we decide not to have champagne.
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Post by Telemachus on Oct 27, 2017 17:12:58 GMT
Its to some extent swings and roundabouts regarding maintenance. In the 60s and 70s, most of the BCN was virtually unnavigable or at the very least, a major adventure. Now nearly all of it is great, well maintained and quite deep (Walsall canal excepted). Meantime yes some of the hitherto well maintained waterways such as the Grand Union, have deteriorated. You're confusing acceptable standards of maintenance with superficial and cosmetic tarting-up, . . mainly of the towpath and surroundings, rather than the cut itself. I’m not confusing acceptable standards of maintenance with superficial and cosmetic tarting up. Back in the 60s and 70s locks didn’t work, the bottom was right up to the top etc. We once got stuck on the soho loop for several hours, rolling about on a submerged barrel. Now it’s a common “tourist route” with long term moorings at Hockley Port, and traversing it is a non-event. But clearly, you had no experience of the BCN in that era so your opinion is worthless.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2017 17:13:42 GMT
So strictly speaking you are not both on the back deck.
I believe kris was referring to a situation where more that one person would be sitting in some sort of comfortable chairs (ie not the hatch slide or the step), enjoying relaxing conversation and drinking some sort of generic spirits based alcoholic beverage while admiring the attractive scenery amply provided by the English canal system.
I would suggest that this is not a common activity on the back deck of a trad narrow boat. Imho
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Post by Telemachus on Oct 27, 2017 17:27:03 GMT
So strictly speaking you are not both on the back deck. I believe kris was referring to a situation where more that one person would be sitting in some sort of comfortable chairs (ie not the hatch slide or the step), enjoying relaxing conversation and drinking some sort of generic spirits based alcoholic beverage while admiring the attractive scenery amply provided by the English canal system. I would suggest that this is not a common activity on the back deck of a trad narrow boat. Imho Ok I’ll give you that. On the back - yes. On the back deck - no. Mainly because trad stern boats don’t have a back deck!
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Post by Telemachus on Oct 27, 2017 17:39:12 GMT
Yes I suppose if you just mingle with Hudson owners and other £100,000 boat owners then everything must seem fine. G@T on the back deck anyone. We do mingle with such people, but we do sometimes pretend to be poor and mix with £70,000 boaters who drink such shite as australian wine, vodka etc. But yes, I’d draw the line at mixing with £50,000 boat owners. One does have standards to maintain and they might offer Carling or some other horrific thing.
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