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Post by thebfg on Nov 7, 2017 22:55:14 GMT
indeed we should bring it back, and invite the little scrotes who throw acid in someone's face, blinding and scarring them for life, to watch so they understand that if they don't change their ways that will be the penalty for them if they don't reform themselves by the time they reach adulthood. bring back hanging? yes, yes, yes, for anyone who goes out to deliberately permanently maim someone, as well as for certain types of murder. ........... and losing control of your Range Rover while driving at 80 in a 50 limit while texting your footballer clients, and consequently killing someone, should be classified as a degree of manslaughter deserving of hanging. Well, as I have said before, the death penalty isn't really a punishment. Look at the case of Ian Brady. Had he had his way he would have been hanged in 1966. He campaigned for many years to be allowed to die, and this request was repeatedly refused. It is far more of a punishment to lock a person up in a cell smaller than a car parking space and allow them to suffocate with boredom and hopelessness for fifty years. Let's not forget that the average time spent on death row is around 15 years. It's not something that's rushed, in fact I believe 25% of prisoners on death row die of natural causes
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2017 23:10:17 GMT
Well, as I have said before, the death penalty isn't really a punishment. Look at the case of Ian Brady. Had he had his way he would have been hanged in 1966. He campaigned for many years to be allowed to die, and this request was repeatedly refused. It is far more of a punishment to lock a person up in a cell smaller than a car parking space and allow them to suffocate with boredom and hopelessness for fifty years. Let's not forget that the average time spent on death row is around 15 years. It's not something that's rushed, in fact I believe 25% of prisoners on death row die of natural causes 15 years of facing the fear their victims faced in the few seconds, minutes, hours, days, weeks or months even before they were killed. Sounds about fair to me, with plenty of time to successfully appeal too. Win, win.
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Post by Saltysplash on Nov 7, 2017 23:22:12 GMT
Remember, it's not that many generations back that we 'enjoyed' public executions, I do miss them
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Post by Saltysplash on Nov 7, 2017 23:24:53 GMT
indeed we should bring it back, and invite the little scrotes who throw acid in someone's face, blinding and scarring them for life, to watch so they understand that if they don't change their ways that will be the penalty for them if they don't reform themselves by the time they reach adulthood. bring back hanging? yes, yes, yes, for anyone who goes out to deliberately permanently maim someone, as well as for certain types of murder. ........... and losing control of your Range Rover while driving at 80 in a 50 limit while texting your footballer clients, and consequently killing someone, should be classified as a degree of manslaughter deserving of hanging. Well, as I have said before, the death penalty isn't really a punishment. Look at the case of Ian Brady. Had he had his way he would have been hanged in 1966. He campaigned for many years to be allowed to die, and this request was repeatedly refused. It is far more of a punishment to lock a person up in a cell smaller than a car parking space and allow them to suffocate with boredom and hopelessness for fifty years. I dont want them punished, I want REVENGE.
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Post by patty on Nov 8, 2017 7:55:33 GMT
With Donald Trump at the helm I cannot see the voice of reason regarding guns gaining any momentum.... Countries evolve differently..what we think us so wrong about practises that are acceptable to them is based on the perceptions we have... For me I think owning guns in the way they do over there is very wrong.
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Post by kris on Nov 8, 2017 9:17:59 GMT
£302 London Gatwick to New York with Norwegian, via Oslo on the way out. That's not bad for such a distance - 6 hours flying time each way. That's only £25 per hour at 500mph! Cheaper than Virgin Trains! its just the trains in the UK are exspensive.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2017 9:19:56 GMT
With Donald Trump at the helm ...but he's not, is he? He's just a puppet. I'm not sure if he can do joined-up handwriting. I've been to the eastern side of the USA eight times and all visits were quite pleasant. It's not all Hollywood-Cocaine-Perverts and Religious-Cult-Nutters. Many of the Americans we met seemed intelligent. My friend in Virginia has nine guns, for various purposes; she straps her Magnum handgun to her thigh when she's off shopping for blasting away anyone who tries to rob her - but what's wrong with that? I'd do the same. Straight to the head - brains all over the melon display in Walmart. If you've not popped over before, I would certainly recommend a holiday vacation in Virginia/West Virginia/Tennessee/New York city - I thought Manhattan was fairly quiet. And the people are MUCH politer and friendlier than those in London. Gawd knows why people go to dumps like Turkey and Thailand for their hols. I've been to the US several times, including Orlando, New York and San Francisco and would agree with much of what you say about Americans friendliness and hospitality. However the fact that people need to routinely carry guns when they go shopping to their version of ASDA, sadly speaks volumes about the culture over there.
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Post by patty on Nov 8, 2017 9:59:26 GMT
Ive only had a weekend in New York ..but I've wandered places in Canada..love that country
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2017 10:33:11 GMT
Are Americans who carry guns to protect themselves from people who with to do them harm any more moronic than Brits who are happy to have Asian paedophile gangs within Britain fiddling with their children, trusting to the 'authorities' who prefer to pretend it isn't happening? Can you evidence that statement please? I for one am certainly not happy with it, nor do I suspect are the majority of people in the UK, but if you can provide some evidence to support that ridiculous assertion I'd be happy to have a look at it.
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Post by Stumpy on Nov 8, 2017 11:22:13 GMT
Are Americans who carry guns to protect themselves from people who with to do them harm any more moronic than Brits who are happy to have Asian paedophile gangs within Britain fiddling with their children, trusting to the 'authorities' who prefer to pretend it isn't happening? Can you evidence that statement please? I for one am certainly not happy with it, nor do I suspect are the majority of people in the UK, but if you can provide some evidence to support that ridiculous assertion I'd be happy to have a look at it. Well here's one link for starters Martin...... LINK
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2017 12:40:16 GMT
Can you evidence that statement please? I for one am certainly not happy with it, nor do I suspect are the majority of people in the UK, but if you can provide some evidence to support that ridiculous assertion I'd be happy to have a look at it. Well here's one link for starters Martin......
Well unless I am missing something that link does not demonstrate what I asked for which was evidence that Brits are happy to have Asian paedophile gangs within Britain fiddling with their children, trusting to the 'authorities' who prefer to pretend it isn't happening? which is what Foxy suggested. I see nothing that suggests that Brit's are actually happy with what has happened, they may have been mislead or had their trust in authorities abused but happy? really? I think most right minded Brits would be pretty disgusted. Besides it's an irrelevant comparison anyway, it would only be relevant if it was legal to groom and abuse children and young people in the Uk. It isn't, unlike gun ownership which in the US is. So as an argument it's non sequitur I'm afraid.
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Post by Stumpy on Nov 8, 2017 13:04:42 GMT
Well it doesn't say that Brit's were happy about it. But, the authorities knew about it and were looking the other way for fear of discrimination.
Quote: One former Crown Prosecution Service chief Lord Macdonald of River Glaven admitted that in the past investigations had been hampered by police fears of appearing racist.
And shadow women and equalities secretary Sarah Champion, Labour MP for Rotherham, claimed Asian grooming gangs had been allowed to thrive because people were "more afraid to be called a racist than they are afraid to be wrong about calling out child abuse".
As a result grooming gangs, predominantly run by Asian men, sprang up and operated under the radar in a host of British towns and cities
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2017 13:09:11 GMT
Well it doesn't say they were happy about it. But, the authorities knew about it and were looking the other way for fear of discrimination. Quote: One former Crown Prosecution Service chief Lord Macdonald of River Glaven admitted that in the past investigations had been hampered by police fears of appearing racist. And shadow women and equalities secretary Sarah Champion, Labour MP for Rotherham, claimed Asian grooming gangs had been allowed to thrive because people were "more afraid to be called a racist than they are afraid to be wrong about calling out child abuse". As a result grooming gangs, predominantly run by Asian men, sprang up and operated under the radar in a host of British towns and cities Yes I know all that, but it has bog all to do with a comparison with legal gun ownership in the US, precisely because it was 'under the radar'. Gun ownership in the US is very much legal, above the radar and in your face, sometimes literally as the video I posted earlier nearly shows.
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Post by Stumpy on Nov 8, 2017 13:20:57 GMT
Having lived in Arizona for 8 years, I know how easy it is to obtain guns. I have several pistols and an M16 assault rifle. Why? Because I could. All you need to do is provide proof of residency. I also have a permit to carry a concealed firearm if I wanted. When I'm over there do I carry a gun? Ans: No I don't.
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Post by peterboat on Nov 8, 2017 14:24:18 GMT
Well it doesn't say that Brit's were happy about it. But, the authorities knew about it and were looking the other way for fear of discrimination. Quote: One former Crown Prosecution Service chief Lord Macdonald of River Glaven admitted that in the past investigations had been hampered by police fears of appearing racist. And shadow women and equalities secretary Sarah Champion, Labour MP for Rotherham, claimed Asian grooming gangs had been allowed to thrive because people were "more afraid to be called a racist than they are afraid to be wrong about calling out child abuse". As a result grooming gangs, predominantly run by Asian men, sprang up and operated under the radar in a host of British towns and cities Sarah Champion has spoken out about it twice to the papers, and both times Corbyn the kiddy fidler has shut her down, [thats how some people in rotherham view him] A lot of the asian community are very worried about a backlash against them, but until real action is taken against the perps [and that requires information] nowt is going to happen! Ian Hampshire is on the team hunting down these vile people, and he needs info to get them and the only way he will get it is by publicity, which for some reason Corbyn doesnt want to let happen
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