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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2016 8:30:32 GMT
The "which market" part probably has a lot to do with it. From the Apollo Duck ad: "Helvetia is a well presented boat and comes with a full inventory of equipment and spares, plus a comprehensive owner’s manual which gives details of where everything is and how it all works. She has been lovingly owned by us for nearly twenty years and we shall be sad to see her go, but hope that she will continue to give new owners a much loved family holiday boat." Helvetia looks to be a very nice boat, and Dave S. apppears to have been fanatic about taking care of the boat, but it is just a holiday boat and that probably limits the market. It seems that things like a woodstove and batteries and inverters and so on are not there, and those are things most boat buyers want, aren't they? Maybe the boat has some of that stuff, if so it should be mentioned in the ad. 12V electric could be particularly problematic if it is not installed already. One would need to disassemble a lot of the interior to do a proper 12v wiring job. One other thing is the windows. For some reason those windows just look cheesy, cheap, to me. Are they even double glazed? When comparing the price of Helvetia to more typically outfitted live-a-boards, or any self-sufficient boat for that matter, you have to add a lot to the sales price. for example: £1,500 - a good set of Trojans, installed w/ wiring £5,000 - Victron Quatro or Phoenix 3000/120 installed along with all controls and related electronics £4,000 - a £1,500 - £2,000 woodstove w/ back burner installed w/ related interior remodeling and plumbing £1,000 - install 12V system - lights, receptacles, etc. ________ £11,500 right there if someone wants to make it a livaboard, or indeed an off-grid boat of any kind. From the looks of things, that boat has to be plugged in to shore power if you want anything to work, and that fact alone greatly limits its appeal, and its value. Edited to add - I have no idea what this boat should sell for, I'm just commenting on perhaps why it hasn't sold so far. what a load of absolute bollocks even in dollars your prices are out by a factor of 5-10. I agree Helvetia needs upgrading to be m.facebook.coma liveaboard but as with all boats the first thing is lines, the 2nd hull maintenance, the third engine ie those things least easily changed and with the exception of the horrible engine this boat scores, it's worth 20-25 k but at that it will be a great boat for somebody. David Schweizer does himself no favours but stating time after time he will not negotiate. I agree with you Emma,he comes across as both arrogant and a bit up himself as well
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2016 8:53:02 GMT
I see MTB and David Schweizer on the Apollo Duck thread earlier,Nicknorman as well. Helvetia is turning into a millstone round the owners neck I think.Schweizer is desperate to brook no criticism of him or his "day boat"
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Post by peterboat on Jun 3, 2016 9:02:40 GMT
If it was me I would keep on using her whilst she is for sale. That way she is properly looked after and not another used boat gathering dust and rusting
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Post by robmcd on Jun 3, 2016 10:59:52 GMT
Whats your budget Rob then if any of us see anything we can pass it on to you I have been looking at boats around the 20-30k price range but am keeping an open mind as I have seen nice boats around 17k that need some work doing, but my main things are a good engine and hull. Painting and the inside I can sort out myself. As long as the engine & hull + electrics are sound then I'm half way there I think.
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Post by canaldweller on Jun 3, 2016 11:15:09 GMT
what a load of absolute bollocks even in dollars your prices are out by a factor of 5-10. I agree Helvetia needs upgrading to be m.facebook.coma liveaboard but as with all boats the first thing is lines, the 2nd hull maintenance, the third engine ie those things least easily changed and with the exception of the horrible engine this boat scores, it's worth 20-25 k but at that it will be a great boat for somebody. David Schweizer does himself no favours but stating time after time he will not negotiate. I agree with you Emma,he comes across as both arrogant and a bit up himself as well I see the thread is locked now. Who is this "haulierp"?
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Post by Delta9 on Jun 3, 2016 11:27:22 GMT
I agree with you Emma,he comes across as both arrogant and a bit up himself as well I see the thread is locked now. Who is this "haulierp"? Chris Pink. Everyone is Chris Pink, he is omnipresent.
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Post by Mr Stabby on Jun 3, 2016 12:08:39 GMT
what a load of absolute bollocks even in dollars your prices are out by a factor of 5-10. I agree Helvetia needs upgrading to be m.facebook.coma liveaboard but as with all boats the first thing is lines, the 2nd hull maintenance, the third engine ie those things least easily changed and with the exception of the horrible engine this boat scores, it's worth 20-25 k but at that it will be a great boat for somebody. David Schweizer does himself no favours but stating time after time he will not negotiate. Out of interest, and as I have one myself, why do you consider the BMC 1.5 engine "horrible"?
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Post by naughtyfox on Jun 3, 2016 15:55:51 GMT
I have met David Schweizer and I liked him. He deserves to get his original asking price. People are willing to pay 100,000 Pounds to touch Kim Kardashian's bum, but not 40,000 to own a perfect narrowboat? Skinflints and penny-pinchers. The bed issue is just a nonsense. And Kim Kardashian has bad breath for starters, and rotten teeth.
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Post by kris on Jun 4, 2016 15:46:00 GMT
I agree with you Emma,he comes across as both arrogant and a bit up himself as well I see the thread is locked now. Who is this "haulierp"? Cds of this parish
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Post by smileypete on Jun 4, 2016 16:54:54 GMT
I see the thread is locked now. Who is this "haulierp"? Maybe we should send Mr Foetus Head over there As far as boat sales go, some don't hang around, so best work out what they have that the buyers want, and adapt or price the boat for sale accordingly....
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Post by Mr Stabby on Jun 4, 2016 17:55:32 GMT
I have met David Schweizer and I liked him. He deserves to get his original asking price. With all due respect I have to disagree with this. The fact that somebody is likeable does not mean that they "deserve" to get the full asking price for an item they offer for sale, the market decides whether the price is right or wrong, and in this case the market has obviously decided that the price is wrong. The vendor made a huge mistake from the word "Go" by stating that he would not be prepared to move from the asking price, because anybody with any sense adds a few thousand to an asking price in the expectation that they will be haggled down. Had he been prepared to be haggled down from his original asking price then he almost certainly would have sold Helvetia months ago, as it is he is simply chasing down the market while buyer psychology is suggesting to viewers that there must be something wrong with the boat for it to have remained unsold for so long.
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Post by naughtyfox on Jun 4, 2016 18:09:52 GMT
Well.... that's shut me up, heh! I would like to have a look at Helvetia outside and inside and come to my own conclusion, which I would base on the price we paid for our boat. However, that's not going to happen. I don't know why Kim Kardashian gets all the attention, I'd say she deserves to get stuffed into a rubbish bin. I am a very judgemental type. I thought the boat would have gone in a flash, especially as David is known to the Canalworld Gang. I shall be interested to hear when it has gone, and I hope the new owners look after it.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2016 18:49:13 GMT
I have met David Schweizer and I liked him. He deserves to get his original asking price. With all due respect I have to disagree with this. The fact that somebody is likeable does not mean that they "deserve" to get the full asking price for an item they offer for sale, the market decides whether the price is right or wrong, and in this case the market has obviously decided that the price is wrong. The vendor made a huge mistake from the word "Go" by stating that he would not be prepared to move from the asking price, because anybody with any sense adds a few thousand to an asking price in the expectation that they will be haggled down. Had he been prepared to be haggled down from his original asking price then he almost certainly would have sold Helvetia months ago, as it is he is simply chasing down the market while buyer psychology is suggesting to viewers that there must be something wrong with the boat for it to have remained unsold for so long. I think the Vendor is in a real panic over Helvetia and any negative press regarding it.It is no more than an overpriced day boat and 35 years old at that. £25000 is where its at price wise as far as I am concerned,spending £5000 to £10000 to make it into a proper live aboard brings the outlay to over £30000 and there are a lot of newer boats in that bracket.To be honest you would be bidding £30000 on £35000 boats in the hope the seller was desperate,and this is why Schweizer is left with Helvetia unsold. I can't understand all his acolytes telling him what they think he wants to hear,absolutely pointless.
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Post by Mr Stabby on Jun 4, 2016 20:08:56 GMT
It's a cracking looking boat, it really has got a beautiful paint job and I personally do think the fit-out is superb, but as you say it is more of a holiday boat than a liveaboard, and although it could be converted into a liveaboard, a buyer would have to budget an absolute minimum of £5,000 to do that. On a boat originally priced at £38,000 where the seller stated from the outset that he wouldn't budge on price, that was never going to happen.
Personally, I think David has got Helvetia quite close to the market value now, but I think he would still be foolish to refuse a reasonable offer, say a couple of thousand off. If and when I sold my boat, or my truck, I would always put it on offer at a couple of thousand quid above what I reckoned it was worth, then be prepared to be knocked back down to my estimate. As much as anything, it's a nice gesture to the buyers, and you end up getting the price you wanted for it anyway.
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Post by PaulG2 on Jun 4, 2016 21:10:01 GMT
This just popped up on a thread on the other channel. Is there something special about Helvetia that makes it worth as much as this boat.? link
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