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Post by naughtyfox on Jun 5, 2016 5:10:46 GMT
Not everybody wants to be 'liveaboards'.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2016 5:20:05 GMT
Not everybody wants to be 'liveaboards'.
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Post by Saltysplash on Jun 5, 2016 6:18:54 GMT
This just popped up on a thread on the other channel. Is there something special about Helvetia that makes it worth as much as this boat.? link
You link sends me back to this page. A good paint job and Hull shape will add to a boats price, Not being able to see the link, the above boat looks like an ex-hireboat. it has the classic Alvechurch front windows and doors and if it wasnt a hireboat, just built buy Alvechurch for private buyers, it would still be seen by some as having that ex-hireboat look. Not a problem for me as my first narrowboat was an ex-Anglowelsh Harborough Hull. but there are some who will look down on any boat that has even a slim connection with the hire business. Ask on the other channel about buying 2nd hand hireboat and you will get plenty of people tell you to avoid them due to this that and the other. Others, who have bought ex-hire will chip in to defend.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2016 6:28:03 GMT
This just popped up on a thread on the other channel. Is there something special about Helvetia that makes it worth as much as this boat.? link
You link sends me back to this page. A good paint job and Hull shape will add to a boats price, Not being able to see the link, the above boat looks like an ex-hireboat. it has the classic Alvechurch front windows and doors and if it wasnt a hireboat, just built buy Alvechurch for private buyers, it would still be seen by some as having that ex-hireboat look. Not a problem for me as my first narrowboat was an ex-Anglowelsh Harborough Hull. but there are some who will look down on any boat that has even a slim connection with the hire business. Ask on the other channel about buying 2nd hand hireboat and you will get plenty of people tell you to avoid them due to this that and the other. Others, who have bought ex-hire will chip in to defend. A good paint job certainly,but hull shape,maybe among "cultured boaters" for want of a better expression,the ordinary first time buyer,live aboard couples ? I don't think they notice or care too much about hull shape
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2016 6:31:04 GMT
Not everybody wants to be 'liveaboards'. I don't think you know much about the second hand market here in the UK but any research will tell you that people who are in the market for a day boat almost always would have that boat on a marina mooring. This indicates that they are people with some financial resource,young career couples,the early retired with a good pension etc etc and they more often than not want a new or comparatively recent build to either see them into the grave if they are old or impress their family and friends if they are younger. None of these two groups I mention in the main would be interested in Helvetia because of its age,the retired would think it could be a possible money pit and not the onetime purchase they wanted i.e. they could outlive the boats economic viability,and the young couple its simply looks too old inside and out and lacks the WOW factor. These are my thoughts as to why Schweizer has been left with an unsold 35 year old second hand boat a year or more after first putting it on the market and its comments like mine that would perhaps been of more use to him than the usual suspects blowing smoke up his arse speaking of "lovely lines" and "quality fit outs" Schweizer has to reduce his price further in order to find his buyer, continued mooring fees must be eating up his margins. Can I add that I fully expect to be pulled up about my opinion by fellow posters,its just my opinion based on my experiences after all
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Post by Saltysplash on Jun 5, 2016 7:13:20 GMT
Why was the Helvetia thread closed?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2016 12:07:51 GMT
Why was the Helvetia thread closed? David Schweizer pulled a few strings fearing negative coverage would hamper a possible sale. Disgraceful really,that the Forum can be abused in that way.
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Post by Saltysplash on Jun 5, 2016 12:15:24 GMT
Ok, just caught up with the thread, He's always come across to me as a bit highly strung, and doesnt like being called Dave.
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Post by Mr Stabby on Jun 5, 2016 12:25:08 GMT
Ok, just caught up with the thread, He's always come across to me as a bit highly strung, and doesnt like being called Dave. I guess he's destined to become known as "Call me Dave" Schweizer from now on then.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2016 12:53:16 GMT
Ok, just caught up with the thread, He's always come across to me as a bit highly strung, and doesnt like being called Dave. I don't know him myself but had drawn the same conclusion.I smiled when I saw him initially Hijack CWDF in order to sell Helvetia,as if membership of that forum provided some provenance for a 35 year old second hand boat.Meanwhile people like Tadworth were being savaged simply because their face didn't fit and their issues were unpalatable,even now after Richards successful conclusion he is damned by faint praise.People should be swinging from the rafters when a controlling body such as CRT are brought to book for illegal and malevolent behaviour,instead we have clowns like Magnetman terrified of CRT repercussions.Where are boaters going with that outlook ? sorry I have wandered off topic as per usual
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Post by PaulG2 on Jun 5, 2016 15:39:11 GMT
Here's a good link to the boat I referenced. I hope it works this time: LINK
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2016 15:50:18 GMT
Here's a good link to the boat I referenced. I hope it works this time: LINKI thought that looks a far better proposition for the money,bigger,fully equipped for live aboard, ten years younger and certainly open to Bids. A dead cert for the London Market,though length could maybe be an issue
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Post by Andyberg on Jun 5, 2016 22:11:07 GMT
I see CWDF's resident 'for sale policeman' MtheB is pushing his pals boat into a new inexperienced member over on the negotiating after a survey thread ' Given your obvious newness to boating I think you're better off walking away from this one and finding a boat that's been looked after properly. Here is one such good example for sale by a forum member. Dunno if it fits your price range though... : narrowboats.apolloduck.co.uk/feature.phtml?id=474743
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Post by PaulG2 on Jun 6, 2016 3:41:58 GMT
I see CWDF's resident 'for sale policeman' MtheB is pushing his pals boat into a new inexperienced member over on the negotiating after a survey thread ' Given your obvious newness to boating I think you're better off walking away from this one and finding a boat that's been looked after properly. Here is one such good example for sale by a forum member. Dunno if it fits your price range though... : narrowboats.apolloduck.co.uk/feature.phtml?id=474743 Hello Andy, welcome to the forum. I saw this earlier. Pathetic, isn't it. Just about everyone that posted on that thread had different advice, everything from "take it as-is" to "run away as fast as you can." What's funny is that with all the differing opinions, the thread had no value at all. The OP would have been more confused after reading the thread than before he asked the question. It seems that everyone who posted was in such a rush to be the resident expert, no one ever bothered to ask a few basic questions to get some details so that they could give an informed decision. Instead it was just a clusterfuck of cacophony. The icing on the cake, though, was MtB then chipping in with his sales pitch for Dave's boat.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2016 4:28:37 GMT
I see CWDF's resident 'for sale policeman' MtheB is pushing his pals boat into a new inexperienced member over on the negotiating after a survey thread ' Given your obvious newness to boating I think you're better off walking away from this one and finding a boat that's been looked after properly. Here is one such good example for sale by a forum member. Dunno if it fits your price range though... : narrowboats.apolloduck.co.uk/feature.phtml?id=474743 Yeah the usual suspects across the road have probably took a group decision to try and shift "Daves Shed" by Christmas.Thats what friends are for
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