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Post by lardarse on Jun 6, 2016 7:11:32 GMT
The good old Banterati sticking together.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2016 7:30:37 GMT
Well speaking as somebody who has actually sold a boat recently rather than waffle about it on the internet.
Yes you have to be prepared to
a - price the boat realisticly in the first place.
b - Be prepared to accept any reasonable offers.
We did both. Our boat's interior was superb and it was a very well equipped boat and had all the bells and whistles including a decent inverter, Morso etc etc. However the exterior paint let the boat down. Being a red boat it was faded badly and needed the cabin sides repainting at the very least. Matty40's did some work on the boat tidying up the worst bits (and did a good job in the process) but you could not get away from the fact that the paint really needed re doing on the cabin.
The Dog House was priced accordingly but we still got people offering silly money saying 'but the paint needs doing' - 'yes we know, that is why it is priced as it is'. Somebody had the sense to see past this and made a decent offer. I was in a better position because somebody very early on pulled out pre-survey and lost his (substantial) deposit. Some of this came to me meaning I could afford to take an offer of less than that I originally intended to accept.
One thing I avoided doing at the time was getting into much of a discussion about it's sale/price/condition on CWDF because I was pretty confident that some fuckwit(s) would come on and pick over the bones of the boat exposing it to bad press on a popular waterways forum. Exactly this has happened with David's boat.
David's biggest error was doing just that (and publicly discussing his negotiating position) and in my view the negative stuff has created a negative 'vibe' about the boat and had he not done so I suspect the boat would have sold by now. Had we got into much debate on there about the actual boat I suspect we would have been in a similar position.
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Post by kris on Jun 6, 2016 7:42:33 GMT
The thing that gets me about the "experts" on cwdf is they can tell you everything about a boat from a photo and some times just a few words on an Internet forum. Amazing such knowledge it's almost as if they are clairvoyants.
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Post by JohnV on Jun 6, 2016 8:03:25 GMT
Nice seeing you back again MJG
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2016 10:43:33 GMT
Well speaking as somebody who has actually sold a boat recently rather than waffle about it on the internet. Yes you have to be prepared to a - price the boat realisticly in the first place. b - Be prepared to accept any reasonable offers. We did both. Our boat's interior was superb and it was a very well equipped boat and had all the bells and whistles including a decent inverter, Morso etc etc. However the exterior paint let the boat down. Being a red boat it was faded badly and needed the cabin sides repainting at the very least. Matty40's did some work on the boat tidying up the worst bits (and did a good job in the process) but you could not get away from the fact that the paint really needed re doing on the cabin. The Dog House was priced accordingly but we still got people offering silly money saying 'but the paint needs doing' - 'yes we know, that is why it is priced as it is'. Somebody had the sense to see past this and made a decent offer. I was in a better position because somebody very early on pulled out pre-survey and lost his (substantial) deposit. Some of this came to me meaning I could afford to take an offer of less than that I originally intended to accept. One thing I avoided doing at the time was getting into much of a discussion about it's sale/price/condition on CWDF because I was pretty confident that some fuckwit(s) would come on and pick over the bones of the boat exposing it to bad press on a popular waterways forum. Exactly this has happened with David's boat. David's biggest error was doing just that (and publicly discussing his negotiating position) and in my view the negative stuff has created a negative 'vibe' about the boat and had he not done so I suspect the boat would have sold by now. Had we got into much debate on there about the actual boat I suspect we would have been in a similar position. You have that 100% on the button in my opinion Martin,and also great to see you back.The "Helvetia Saga" has turned into a classic example of how not to sell a boat.I don't know the vendor but have enjoyed his banter,especially as now his frustration is starting to show
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2016 13:17:32 GMT
Nice seeing you back again MJG I haven't really been away, I have popped in but just not posted for a while. Life is quite busy at the mo. and finding less time to spend on the internet. Besides my interest in boating and the waterways is starting to wain a bit (a lot) now. It feels a bit like 'been there done that' and spending more of my free time on my other main leisure pursuit which isn't really of interest to anybody on here. For much the same reason I haven't been on CWDF for a while either.
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Post by peterboat on Jun 6, 2016 13:54:54 GMT
It happens I have sold one of my Spiders so no longer bother with the Alfa forum same with jags, Rolls Royces etc once they have gone thats it after a few months
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Post by naughtyfox on Jun 6, 2016 14:27:02 GMT
Why was the Helvetia thread closed? David Schweizer pulled a few strings fearing negative coverage would hamper a possible sale. Disgraceful really,that the Forum can be abused in that way. Yes, I don't know why I said that yesterday, perhaps I got the idea that Thunderboat was becoming solely a coven of liveaboards who look down their noses at holiday boaters like us. 2 months now living on the old tub. Yes I agree with you about some CWDF members being treated like Royalty. It can be somewhat clique-ish. I think we would have been interested in Helvetia if we hadn't already had this floating skip of ours. We would have renamed it though. Two reindeers yesterday evening near Ytterhogdal, and a moose this morning near Sörsjön on the Särnä - Malung road. Fagernes now and off across Hardandervidde - glaciers up there...
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2016 15:03:11 GMT
David Schweizer pulled a few strings fearing negative coverage would hamper a possible sale. Disgraceful really,that the Forum can be abused in that way. Yes, I don't know why I said that yesterday, perhaps I got the idea that Thunderboat was becoming solely a coven of liveaboards who look down their noses at holiday boaters like us. 2 months now living on the old tub. Yes I agree with you about some CWDF members being treated like Royalty. It can be somewhat clique-ish. I think we would have been interested in Helvetia if we hadn't already had this floating skip of ours. We would have renamed it though. Two reindeers yesterday evening near Ytterhogdal, and a moose this morning near Sörsjön on the Särnä - Malung road. Fagernes now and off across Hardandervidde - glaciers up there... Carry on Mr Fox,the forum would be a lesser place without your contribution.MJG posts a better analysis of the Helvetia Saga on this very page I believe. It is always good to give a "Smug Bastard" like Schweizer a wind up, on both channels if possible and always with both barrels
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2016 16:42:29 GMT
It happens I have sold one of my Spiders so no longer bother with the Alfa forum same with jags, Rolls Royces etc once they have gone thats it after a few months Alfa forum ? I have always admired the looks,but treat them like a whore with the Pox,you wouldn't be stupid enough to go there. The Gulfstream Forum,thats the one you want Peter
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2016 18:30:40 GMT
Yes, I don't know why I said that yesterday, perhaps I got the idea that Thunderboat was becoming solely a coven of liveaboards who look down their noses at holiday boaters like us. 2 months now living on the old tub. Yes I agree with you about some CWDF members being treated like Royalty. It can be somewhat clique-ish. I think we would have been interested in Helvetia if we hadn't already had this floating skip of ours. We would have renamed it though. Two reindeers yesterday evening near Ytterhogdal, and a moose this morning near Sörsjön on the Särnä - Malung road. Fagernes now and off across Hardandervidde - glaciers up there... Carry on Mr Fox,the forum would be a lesser place without your contribution.MJG posts a better analysis of the Helvetia Saga on this very page I believe. It is always good to give a "Smug Bastard" like Schweizer a wind up, on both channels if possible and always with both barrels For the record I actually have no interest at all in winding David up or giving him 'both barrels' I was simply offering an opinion based on how our boat sale went and how things panned out differently. i really like his boat and have said as much and I would have thought it would have gone at a price close to what I first saw it at. However I understand how people have perhaps been disauded if indeed they were by his alleged none negotiation stance. what I personally would find interesting would be what Dominic at RBS said it should go up for sale at. He knows his onions and I wonder if he recommended the boat go up for a figure less than David wanted to agree to. There is no stipulation you have to agree with the sale price that the broker suggests and I wonder if this was at the root of it not selling whilst it was with RBS.
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Post by Mr Stabby on Jun 6, 2016 19:16:46 GMT
There are absolutely no "ifs" or "buts", Helvetia was way overpriced from the word "Go", and Dave wasn't prepared to negotiate on price, so it was never going to sell.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2016 20:36:19 GMT
Carry on Mr Fox,the forum would be a lesser place without your contribution.MJG posts a better analysis of the Helvetia Saga on this very page I believe. It is always good to give a "Smug Bastard" like Schweizer a wind up, on both channels if possible and always with both barrels For the record I actually have no interest at all in winding David up or giving him 'both barrels' I was simply offering an opinion based on how our boat sale went and how things panned out differently. i really like his boat and have said as much and I would have thought it would have gone at a price close to what I first saw it at. However I understand how people have perhaps been disauded if indeed they were by his alleged none negotiation stance. what I personally would find interesting would be what Dominic at RBS said it should go up for sale at. He knows his onions and I wonder if he recommended the boat go up for a figure less than David wanted to agree to. There is no stipulation you have to agree with the sale price that the broker suggests and I wonder if this was at the root of it not selling whilst it was with RBS. I suspect your last paragraph is an accurate assessment of what has transpired.Schweizer had adopted a strange tone on the other channel prior to the thread being locked which was a strange occurrence in itself
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Post by smileypete on Jun 6, 2016 22:18:14 GMT
If buyers make cheeky offers, rather than refuse outright best ask them to come back later on, just in case.
Would have thought something like "Asking ***** but all sensible offers considered" would get a good response from buyers.
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Post by peterboat on Jun 7, 2016 8:20:22 GMT
It happens I have sold one of my Spiders so no longer bother with the Alfa forum same with jags, Rolls Royces etc once they have gone thats it after a few months Alfa forum ? I have always admired the looks,but treat them like a whore with the Pox,you wouldn't be stupid enough to go there. The Gulfstream Forum,thats the one you want Peter I have had 3 spiders all been good and the 2 I have owned and sold have made good profits and more to the point been great cars, reliable, quick, good handling and very pretty. Had a gulfstream and sold it Paul
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