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Post by quaysider on Dec 14, 2017 14:55:28 GMT
When the wiring went in for Ellis, the builder talked me out of the need for navigation lights - stating that most don't comply anyway so you may as well not have them...
With his words ringing in my ears, I crossed the out and left him to it.
Here we are 18 months down the line and I WANT them...
Question is, Does it matter if I just fit ones for boats UP to 12 M in length or should I get bigger ones?
WHAT are the "rules" - I mean, we often chug about in the dark on the canal - well , with the twin headlights on at any rate...
It's going to be a pain, taking the lining down to hide the wires... I 'm half thinking about buying magnetic ones from Canada (although they work out at about 50 quid each.
any suggestions welcome.
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Post by Stumpy on Dec 14, 2017 15:16:26 GMT
I do believe, unless you are in tidal waters. it's not a requirement.
However, common sense would dictate you do display some kind of light signal (akin to putting on hazard warning lights)
I'm sure that far more experienced members will tell you otherwise Mark.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2017 15:34:46 GMT
Cant see the point myself, a head light for cruising at night is enough.
When have you ever cruised at night and had another boat behind you?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2017 16:06:34 GMT
You will find it hard to comply with colregs. Power vessels more than 12 metres in length but less than 20 metres in length shall exhibit: a) A masthead light, separate sidelights and stern light or b) A masthead light, combined sidelights and stern light. The masthead light shall be carried at least 2.5 metres above the gunwale. Combined sidelights shall be carried at least 1 metre below the masthead light. www.powerboat-training.co.uk/articles/articles-nav%20lights.htmThe width of a narrow boat makes it almost impossible to mount lamps so they can be seen from the correct angle and distance. Note also that the masthead light is to be placed 2.5M above the gunwale - depending on where you are cruising this could make bridges tricky! I can't see the point tbh, your best bet is a combined lamp like this. www.marinescene.co.uk/product/14960/combination-navigation-light-foldingIt won't comply but you'll have made an effort at sticking vaguely the right lamps up. No more pointless than screwing lamps to the cabin sides that won't be seen correctly either! |
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Post by TonyDunkley on Dec 14, 2017 17:26:32 GMT
When the wiring went in for Ellis, the builder talked me out of the need for navigation lights - stating that most don't comply anyway so you may as well not have them... With his words ringing in my ears, I crossed the out and left him to it. Here we are 18 months down the line and I WANT them... Question is, Does it matter if I just fit ones for boats UP to 12 M in length or should I get bigger ones? WHAT are the "rules" - I mean, we often chug about in the dark on the canal - well , with the twin headlights on at any rate... It's going to be a pain, taking the lining down to hide the wires... I 'm half thinking about buying magnetic ones from Canada (although they work out at about 50 quid each. any suggestions welcome. If you just want to comply with the 'rules' when you're on the canals (other than the likes of the Aire & Calder and the Gloucester & Berkeley) then one white light showing ahead does the job. It could be argued that the Colregs do apply on the canals (as well as vessels at sea or on waters connected to the sea) , but in reality nobody, with the exception perhaps of some of CWDF's world-class cunts, is going to be that daft. General Canal Byelaws - Byelaw 10 if I remember right, says a ''narrow canal boat'' need only show one white light in the forward part of the vessel, or some such similar wording, and a 'narrow canal boat' is defined as a vessel of less than 7' 6'' beam. If you intend doing any serious river work, such as lower Trent, the Ouse up to Goole/Howden, the lower Thames, the Severn and the MSC/Weaver then you will have to have nav lights that comply with the Colregs and NOT the silly little ornaments that are generally seen on canal boats these days. They are worse than useless because you just can't/don't see them from the wheelhouse of a barge or the bridge of a ship. |
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Post by Gone on Dec 14, 2017 17:29:20 GMT
When the wiring went in for Ellis, the builder talked me out of the need for navigation lights - stating that most don't comply anyway so you may as well not have them... With his words ringing in my ears, I crossed the out and left him to it. Here we are 18 months down the line and I WANT them... Question is, Does it matter if I just fit ones for boats UP to 12 M in length or should I get bigger ones? WHAT are the "rules" - I mean, we often chug about in the dark on the canal - well , with the twin headlights on at any rate... It's going to be a pain, taking the lining down to hide the wires... I 'm half thinking about buying magnetic ones from Canada (although they work out at about 50 quid each. any suggestions welcome. Colregs don't apply to narrow canals, but they do to commercial waterways such as the G&S canal and River Severn. CRT rules require a white forward pointing headlight for narrowboats on the narrow canal system. There is not much point in the red & green lights on a narrow canal as you will not have craft some distance to the side trying to work out which way you are heading, though if you have them you may as well turn them on. For commercial waterways I am fairly sure colregs apply. Lighting requirements explained above. Added - I'm a bit late to post this..... |
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Post by Mr Stabby on Dec 14, 2017 17:39:48 GMT
Some folk have said they aren't necessary, which is true, others have said they can't see the point of them, but the point is that sometimes you just want something because you want it and no further justification is required.  |
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Post by thebfg on Dec 14, 2017 17:49:14 GMT
Some folk have said they aren't necessary, which is true, others have said they can't see the point of them, but the point is that sometimes you just want something because you want it and no further justification is required. Is that your reason for murdering prostitutes and wrapping them in carpet. Because you want to.😁 |
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Post by JohnV on Dec 14, 2017 18:34:55 GMT
If it is just for a quick one off trip on the river then I would go along with Gazza's idea (although they are pretty crappy and as Tony points out, would be hard to spot)
If it is for a serious/multiple trips then I would suggest you build your own variation of this with proper lamps and with the required height that can be mounted temporarily when required ...... in which case you just need a waterproof socket in that area
edit to add they wouldn't strictly conform but would at least be properly visible
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Post by lollygagger on Dec 14, 2017 19:18:24 GMT
The best thing to do is be like bored fishermen on the south coast. You know you'll catch fuck all with your booms stretched out dragging and wrecking the sea bed with a mile of shite stretched out behind, so spend the night amusing yourself on the radar trying to get on collision courses with passing boats knowing you are in the right to shine your searchlights and loud hale "fuck-off" over the airwaves and with your on board mega fuck off loud haler. nutter might like to comment, I believe he's fished commercially off the South coast. |
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Post by lollygagger on Dec 14, 2017 19:19:58 GMT
Amusing, I tagged "Jenlyn", it's been replaced with "nutter". Lol.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2017 19:29:40 GMT
I hate boats going along in the dark with a headlight on the front. Its just horrible.
I like night time boating. I just turn on some internal lights and my nav lights which is red white green triangle so anyone coming towards me can see I am there and moving (navigation lights as in the word "navigation"). Bright headlights, tunnel lights of those awful LED things ruin night vision - I have to turn away from them and look the other way which is far from ideal when passing another boat on a canal in the dark.
Really hate 'em. A lot.
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Post by lollygagger on Dec 14, 2017 19:42:16 GMT
I hate boats going along in the dark with a headlight on the front. Its just horrible. I like night time boating. I just turn on some internal lights and my nav lights which is red white green triangle so anyone coming towards me can see I am there and moving (navigation lights as in the word "navigation"). Bright headlights, tunnel lights of those awful LED things ruin night vision - I have to turn away from them and look the other way which is far from ideal when passing another boat on a canal in the dark. Really hate 'em. A lot. I used mine in the fog in the dark, but there's nobody about oop north. If a miracle had occurred and there was a boat coming the other way I'd have switched it off as soon as I sae them, it's not in my interests to destroy their night vision. |
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Post by thebfg on Dec 14, 2017 20:02:08 GMT
nutter might like to comment, I believe he's fished commercially off the South coast. ? nutter? tagged? (explanation required for the naive) Anyway, my latest trick is to have 4 of those cheap LED torches with magnetic bottoms on the roof of our boat for tunnels, illuminates the walls nicely (2 lights on each side one at front, one by sliding hatch at back). For a short trip where you might want others to see you're on the move, that's good enough. Put some green/red tracing paper over them if you want your boat to look like it's Party Time! He meant to tag jenlyn but failed miserably 😂 |
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Post by lollygagger on Dec 14, 2017 20:11:53 GMT
I don't know what 'tagging' means. I typed in Jenlyn but it comes out as Jenlyn (and jenlyn as jenlyn). And what is that all about anyway, have we found 'nutter' ??!! members get an alert if you tag them, similar to the alert if quoted. To tag someone type their name, the one they signed up with not what they've since changed it to, preceded by an @. No spaces. |
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