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Post by Jim on Dec 30, 2017 9:46:30 GMT
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Post by lollygagger on Dec 30, 2017 10:08:32 GMT
Or you could say unelected Baron quits over elected government refusing to ignore the democratic vote.
Spin and bollocks.
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Post by Jim on Dec 30, 2017 12:48:47 GMT
Or you could say unelected Baron quits over elected government refusing to ignore the democratic vote. Spin and bollocks. The brexit spinning top is wobbling somewhat, it's going so slowly. Remind me again what fully laid out plan people voted for? Or does everyone have their own Brexit. The unelected baron is advocating for a democratic vote when we know what the outcome of the deal is. Go, or chuck it and stay. Simple. I know several leavers who have realised the error of their ways and would vote now to remain in the EU.
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Post by thebfg on Dec 30, 2017 13:08:55 GMT
Or you could say unelected Baron quits over elected government refusing to ignore the democratic vote. Spin and bollocks. The brexit spinning top is wobbling somewhat, it's going so slowly. Remind me again what fully laid out plan people voted for? Or does everyone have their own Brexit. The unelected baron is advocating for a democratic vote when we know what the outcome of the deal is. Go, or chuck it and stay. Simple. I know several leavers who have realised the error of their ways and would vote now to remain in the EU. But the vote was not about any deal it was in or out. There was no level of deal option. We have elected polititions to do that on our behalf.
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Post by kris on Dec 30, 2017 13:11:15 GMT
Or you could say unelected Baron quits over elected government refusing to ignore the democratic vote. Spin and bollocks. The brexit spinning top is wobbling somewhat, it's going so slowly. Remind me again what fully laid out plan people voted for? Or does everyone have their own Brexit. The unelected baron is advocating for a democratic vote when we know what the outcome of the deal is. Go, or chuck it and stay. Simple. I know several leavers who have realised the error of their ways and would vote now to remain in the EU. whilst I understand your sentiment, do you think that if we did have another referendum and decided to stay in, that the eu would let us go back to the way it was with vetos over certain issues etc. No they would still want to punish us. They need to send a message to other euro skeptical countries like Denmark.
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Post by Jim on Dec 30, 2017 15:05:55 GMT
Thought for the afternoon.... Don't cling to a mistake just because you have spent a lot of time making it.
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Post by kris on Dec 30, 2017 15:22:24 GMT
Thought for the afternoon.... Don't cling to a mistake just because you have spent a lot of time making it. what about excepting whats happened and get on with it, rather than trying to turn back time.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2017 15:31:17 GMT
One for Jim
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Post by Jim on Dec 30, 2017 16:19:24 GMT
Fair enough comment, IF it was me trying to turn back time to the stone age, when Britain was Great and had nothing to do with Johnny Foreigner, if there ever was such a time! The problem is, that people voted emotionally, those emotions fueled by right wing press barons, who have a lot to gain. I'm surprised the cynics on here don't see that. "Just Leaving" as some propound was voted for by everyone who voted leave, is not a good economic strategy. Throwing the baby out with the bathwater. And where in the rules of democracy does it say we can't change our minds and have a vote on the deal when we know what it is. It seems that, now there has been a vote, democracy should be suspended for ever after.
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Post by kris on Dec 30, 2017 16:27:15 GMT
The question is Jim how would you feel about a second referendum if the first ones outcome had been to remain?
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Post by Jim on Dec 30, 2017 17:03:24 GMT
The question is Jim how would you feel about a second referendum if the first ones outcome had been to remain? There would have been no deals done and nothing to decide on. The referendum was a political gambit gone wrong, the first of 2. There was no informed rational discussion to speak of, no plan in place to consider it carry out, Cameron thought he was going to win. Farage is just a little man seeking power, no chance of getting it in the Tory party, so started his own, aiming for the lowest common denominator. Like Trump said a few years back, paraphrased, If I want to be President I'll play the right wing card.
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Post by kris on Dec 30, 2017 17:05:12 GMT
The question is Jim how would you feel about a second referendum if the first ones outcome had been to remain? There would have been no deals done and nothing to decide on. The referendum was a political gambit gone wrong, the first of 2. There was no informed rational discussion to speak of, no plan in place to consider it carry out, Cameron thought he was going to win. Farage is just a little man seeking power, no chance of getting it in the Tory party, so started his own, aiming for the lowest common denominator. Like Trump said a few years back, paraphrased, If I want to be President I'll play the right wing card. you haven't answered the question, are you sure your not a politician?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2017 17:19:21 GMT
My View.
The vote has come and gone, for better or worse.
It will take a long time to work out whether the outcome is better than remaining in the EU, probably 5 to 10 years. The time for another vote is towards the end of those 10 years, if there is an appetite for it. Currently some of the dire predictions about the economy haven't come true, it will take time to see if they ever do. Some of what I hoped for hasn't and may not come true either.
Very few people will get exactly want they wanted from Brexit but the majority voted for Brexit, having another referendum without trying to make Brexit work is madness, allowing MPs to vote on the outcome of negotiations seems sensible to me as we are more likely to get a Brexit that suits more people by doing so.
Voting to stay in the EU was never a vote for the previous status quo, it would have led to more integration with the EU.
Very few people will find what they are looking for with Brexit but it's time to give it a chance.
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Post by JohnV on Dec 30, 2017 17:26:32 GMT
Thought for the afternoon.... Don't cling to a mistake just because you have spent a lot of time making it. I'm very surprised that you are so desperately clutching at straws as to rope in one of "Tony's Cronies" or does your memory not go back that far ?
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Post by peterboat on Dec 30, 2017 17:34:53 GMT
Its a joke really and its on the experts who predicted the end of the world would happen if we voted to leave! Well as the months have gone by the experts keep on predicting further disasters that dont happen and the cycle goes on. I was reading that they have just had to repredict out growth because it gone up again, it would be better for these experts to shut up because we are rapidly running out of eggs for there faces
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