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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2018 20:34:16 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2018 23:28:01 GMT
It seems contrary to the stated aims of the charity....
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Post by kris on Jan 10, 2018 4:04:01 GMT
The point is he's selling off stuff that belongs to all of us.
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Post by TonyDunkley on Jan 10, 2018 6:48:18 GMT
It seems contrary to the stated aims of the charity.... As is almost everything they do ! There is nothing new about this, BWB were at it too, but not on the same scale that C&RT have elevated it to under Parry.
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Post by bargemast on Jan 10, 2018 8:39:17 GMT
It seems contrary to the stated aims of the charity.... As is almost everything they do ! There is nothing new about this, BWB were at it too, but not on the same scale that C&RT have elevated it to under Parry. This famous public money waster would probably not hesitate one second to sell off the almost derelict canals, that he only spent as little as possible, or saying it better, not gives the money it needs to be mainained to the ever lower qualifications of navigability, to the Chinese, if they would be interested. I never quite understand how a man in such a position can simply flog loads of waterways properties, with excuses that they need money, but then waste that money immediately, or use it to pay huge bonusses to people that made the mess even bigger, himself on top. Peter.
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Post by Allan on Jan 10, 2018 9:07:40 GMT
Blowers Green Pumphouse is used as the HQ of Dudley Canal Trust. Perhaps with the opening of a large visitor center in 2016, DCT do not want to renew the lease. Alternatively, they might wish to buy the freehold.
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Post by Allan on Jan 10, 2018 11:04:49 GMT
Yes. Property is characterised as operational or non-operational. Operational property is that which is used for C&RT to undertake its statutory function of maintaining its waterways (its staff offices, workshops, yards etc). Non-operational property is used for generating revenue such that C&RT can pursue its charitable objectives (the main one being maintaining its waterways). The property in question has not been used as a pumphouse for many years and is non-operational. However, selling it is not really ok as C&RT should be protecting our waterways heritage. To do this it needs to retain ownership even if the income generated is lower.
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Post by Allan on Jan 10, 2018 11:29:38 GMT
To add to the above, the land/buildings that contains the facilities at the site are obviously "operational". I understand that the waste bin area is included in the sale.
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Post by NigelMoore on Jan 10, 2018 12:07:29 GMT
The fact that the wording of the notice makes reference to acting on behalf of the Waterways Infrastrucrure Trust, might suggest that the title deeds for the property are vested in that publuc trust, rather than in Cart Ltd - easily checked should you be so inclined, for £6 on the Land Registry website.
If that is the situation, then the Secretary of State must give approval before it can be disposed of, and it looks as though this notice is intended to cover the requirement for public consultation over such disposals. Parry has never had any problem hitherto, flogging off operational land held in supposed perpetuity for the nation. I do wonder how many, if any, representations in objection to such disposals have ever been submitted.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2018 13:02:56 GMT
Shameless copy and paste.
The Trust’s objects are:
2.1 to preserve, protect, operate and manage Inland Waterways for public benefit: 2.1.1 for navigation; 2.1.2 for walking on towpaths; and 2.1.3 for recreation or other leisure-time pursuits of the public in the interest of their health and social welfare;
2.2 to protect and conserve for public benefit sites, objects and buildings of archaeological, architectural, engineering or historic interest on, in the vicinity of, or otherwise associated with Inland Waterways;
2.3 to further for the public benefit the conservation protection and improvement of the natural environment and landscape of Inland Waterways;
2.4 to promote, facilitate, undertake and assist in, for public benefit, the restoration and improvement of Inland Waterways;
2.5 to promote and facilitate for public benefit awareness, learning and education about Inland Waterways, their history, development, use, operation and cultural heritage by all appropriate means including the provision of museums;
2.6 to promote sustainable development in the vicinity of any Inland Waterway for the benefit of the public, in particular by: 2.6.1 the improvement of the conditions of life in socially and economically disadvantaged communities in such vicinity; and 2.6.2 the promotion of sustainable means of achieving economic growth and regeneration and the prudent use of natural resources;
2.7 to further any purpose which is exclusively charitable under the law of England and Wales connected with Inland Waterways
I can't see anything about flogging off land in any of that little lot.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2018 13:06:46 GMT
2.6.2. Regeneration.
I don't agree with it but I wouldn't be surprised if the "regeneration" argument were used as an excuse to sell things.
"Look. We aren't going to do anything with this but if we sell it to company X they will regenerate the area for public good (and their own £££ profit obviously).
Its bound to happen I would have thought.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2018 13:14:45 GMT
Of what? That is more than a bit vague taken at it's most literal meaning. The rest of the aims seem very clear. And if regeneration does indeed mean flogging off it's land assets for flats and restaurants it's wholly at odds with this: - 2.2 to protect and conserve for public benefit sites, objects and buildings of archaeological, architectural, engineering or historic interest on, in the vicinity of, or otherwise associated with Inland Waterways
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2018 13:29:49 GMT
I agree but I suspect that someone is arguing that letting old buildings fall apart and be vandalised etc may be worse than selling them and getting the "theme park" guys in to make it shiny. I don't like it but at the end of the day if there is demonstrably no interest in keeping history alive (no money in it) it seems bound to happen.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2018 13:43:57 GMT
I agree but I suspect that someone is arguing that letting old buildings fall apart and be vandalised etc may be worse than selling them and getting the "theme park" guys in to make it shiny. I don't like it but at the end of the day if there is demonstrably no interest in keeping history alive (no money in it) it seems bound to happen. I missed your edit. There is some truth in what you say, but again, it flies in the face of their stated aims. A shame that it doesn't seem realistic or possible to hold them to their stated aims.
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Post by Allan on Jan 10, 2018 14:07:34 GMT
The fact that the wording of the notice makes reference to acting on behalf of the Waterways Infrastrucrure Trust, might suggest that the title deeds for the property are vested in that publuc trust, rather than in Cart Ltd - easily checked should you be so inclined, for £6 on the Land Registry website. If that is the situation, then the Secretary of State must give approval before it can be disposed of, and it looks as though this notice is intended to cover the requirement for public consultation over such disposals. Parry has never had any problem hitherto, flogging off operational land held in supposed perpetuity for the nation. I do wonder how many, if any, representations in objection to such disposals have ever been submitted. C&RT say this type of notice is made pursuant to section 121 of the Charities Act 2011 ... canalrivertrust.org.uk/business-and-trade/public-noticesThey make no mention of consultation and SoS approval. The cynic in me suggests that the list is in chronological order because anyone finding the webpage will not bother to scroll to the bottom to view the newest notices.
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