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Post by cygnus on Jan 16, 2018 12:50:01 GMT
Geoff Anson of the Anson Engine Museum has kindly put this on the Gardner Group on Facebook. The museum is a great resource for information on all makes of old engines.
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Post by Telemachus on Jan 16, 2018 13:07:28 GMT
I was going to say “have you tried Tinder”, but I see I’ve missed the point.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2018 14:02:10 GMT
I stumbled across a Gardner 2L2 engine on Ebay the other day.
£18,000 !!!!!!
All that money and it's still old and repaired.
Rog
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Post by kris on Jan 16, 2018 14:08:41 GMT
I stumbled across a Gardner 2L2 engine on Ebay the other day. £18,000 !!!!!! All that money and it's still old and repaired. Rog yes it's been on for at least six months, I think I even posted a thread on here about it. But I think the market in old engines has peaked.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2018 10:11:36 GMT
I'm not a 'vintage engine' type.
Rather like thatched roofs on cottages, I'm glad they're there to be admired and to keep history alive, but not for me.
However the more I think about this Gardner at £18,000 the more gob smacked I become.
Is this the going rate for such an engine?
How much more reliable is it likely to be than a modern RN or indeed a Japanese 'buzz box'?
Anybody know?
Rog
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Post by JohnV on Jan 17, 2018 10:43:32 GMT
almost 20 years ago, I was looking at a Gardner for Sabina H ....... economical, reliable and fairly simple. However even then I worked out that to buy a halfway decent engine, fully recondition it, buy a suitable gearbox and recondition that, buy all the associated heat exchangers and fittings etc it was going to cost at least £9k or £10k ....... and I would still have a second hand engine. (Watermota made me an offer that I couldn't refuse and I bought a brand new Daewoo 6 cyl 8 litre complete with gearbox and all the parts for a complete engine room installation ...... a choice I have not regretted)
On the basis of the cost 20 years ago £18k now doesn't seem too bad
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2018 10:46:49 GMT
Thanks for that.
Excuse my ignorance, but is it's value largely just historic then?
Rog
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Post by kris on Jan 17, 2018 11:03:13 GMT
Thanks for that. Excuse my ignorance, but is it's value largely just historic then? Rog it's obviously been overvalued or else it would have sold. But any value it does have comes from its rarety and sort afteeness. The twins are the most sort after, so the most exspensive.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2018 11:32:48 GMT
Its an interesting question where does the perceived value of these units come from? At some point someone must have put the word out that two cylinder Gardner's were the thing to have. I know there was a lot of publicity when Gardner reintroduced the 2LW in the 90s. Some twat went to the black sea with a pair of narrow boats with a new 2LW. Engine apparently worked well. They stopped making the new 2LW units after a bit so obviously not a great success and the LW is a bit ugly compared with an L2.
I seem to recall the Narrow Boat builders book extolling the virtues of Gardner engines.
I would have thought a good lister JP2 should have the same value as a good Gardner 2L2 but I don't think they do. I like both but would marginally prefer the Lister for a narrow boat personally.
£18k does seem a lot. I paid just under £10k for a new Beta Kubota 3.8 diesel (90hp rated) in 2011. Not a special offer.
I suppose the price is speculative.
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Post by cygnus on Jan 17, 2018 12:57:51 GMT
A new Gardner 2LW with gearbox in the 90s would have been around the 15/16 grand mark. A neighbour of mine had a new Jonathan Wilson Narrowboat with one fitted. Incidentally he has just sold the josher for 35 grand.
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Post by dyertribe on Jan 17, 2018 15:08:16 GMT
And there was me thinking this was another peculiar dating website!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2018 16:04:14 GMT
I suppose kris is right in that it must be well over priced as it's not sold.
But in my naivety I would have thought 10k was a lot of money considering the price of a new Japanese type unit.
Can a vintage engine really be worth three times a modern one, and are they three times as reliable?
Rog
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Post by kris on Jan 17, 2018 16:41:58 GMT
This one is supposed to have just been rebuilt by a reputable builder which I suppose will be some of the valye because that won't have been cheap.
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Post by JohnV on Jan 17, 2018 17:40:06 GMT
I think it is more the style of engine rather than just the age
Old design engines (long stroke, low revving, vastly over engineered) survive better in marine environments. They are lower stressed and will continue to work when in the most disgusting condition and even when bits are falling off.
More important in a marine environment, is that they have no sophisticated systems causing the engine to stop if things are not right. Sometimes at sea you want things to keep going even if it is causing damage ...... until it is safe to stop it.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2018 17:44:47 GMT
I agree with that but narrow boats don't usually have anything to do with a marine environment. The closest they get to salty water is in the galley or the bathroom.
I think its the amount of copper and brass to polish which does it.
And I really don't think someone using a boat in a harsh environment like fishing boat operators etc would buy an old engine. They would buy a new one. This old clonkclonk engine and fake rivets thing seems to be peculiar to narrow boats.
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