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Post by JohnV on Jan 17, 2018 17:50:02 GMT
... before the idiot Blair allowed the above to happen we had unemployment as well, we also had waiting lists at hospitals and bed shortages as well! so why did the moron think it would get better when he allowed millions to enter? answers on a pin head please I am not being a racist I am being a realist I think you might find out that it was a Conservative government that took us into the EU and also signed us up for free movement (anyone remember Maastricht?). on this , you are wrong ........ Britain, under Bliar had the option (which other nations took) of delaying free movement from new member states for 4 years. He rejected the idea and announced free movement to the UK with the result that Britain was one of the few options people from those new member states had ..... and they grabbed it with both hands !!!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2018 17:52:11 GMT
I think you might find out that it was a Conservative government that took us into the EU and also signed us up for free movement (anyone remember Maastricht?). on this , you are wrong ........ Britain, under Bliar had the option (which other nations took) of delaying free movement from new member states for 4 years. He rejected the idea and announced free movement to the UK with the result that Britain was one of the few options people from those new member states had ..... and they grabbed it with both hands !!! I'm not wrong and I'll prove it tomorrow.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2018 18:03:24 GMT
I think you might find out that it was a Conservative government that took us into the EU and also signed us up for free movement (anyone remember Maastricht?). on this , you are wrong ........ Britain, under Bliar had the option (which other nations took) of delaying free movement from new member states for 4 years. He rejected the idea and announced free movement to the UK with the result that Britain was one of the few options people from those new member states had ..... and they grabbed it with both hands !!! Free movement came in during 1992 through John major. Kinnock was Labour leader at that time. Blair was only just getting his foot in the door.
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Post by JohnV on Jan 17, 2018 18:05:07 GMT
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Post by JohnV on Jan 17, 2018 18:07:19 GMT
on this , you are wrong ........ Britain, under Bliar had the option (which other nations took) of delaying free movement from new member states for 4 years. He rejected the idea and announced free movement to the UK with the result that Britain was one of the few options people from those new member states had ..... and they grabbed it with both hands !!! Free movement came in during 1992 through John major. Kinnock was Labour leader at that time. Blair was only just getting his foot in the door. 2004 was when he had the option to limit immigration from the then "new" eastern european members ..... up till then free movement had been between nations with a fairly similar living standard
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2018 18:12:56 GMT
The point here, is that Martin initially "attempted" to suggest this was an indicator directly caused by brexit. He tried to give it a bit of large, when in fact it has little or no legs at all when it comes to brexit. The facts are clear, the remainers doomsday predictions are not materialising, and they are now scrabbling for scraps in the hope of saving a bit of face. Brexit will happen, maybe not in the manner some hoped, but it will happen. The sooner, the better in my view. More rose tinted waffle. The point actually is I have given two surveys that show Brexit is a factor in the decision of some EU nationals to leave the NHS. It is an irrefutable fact that both doctors and nurses are factoring it in to their future career decisions. The real issue is some of you brexiters just don't want to accept it, even when it slaps you in the face, but worse cannot come up with one single shred of evidence to actually refute it. Yes lots of supposition about possible reasons but when a nurse or a doctor says 'I am leaving the UK because of brexit' what else could that mean?, that they don't like the hospital food in the canteen perhaps?, or the colour of their uniform? - Yes of course Brexit will happen, my point was never about that, my point was about the potential impacts of it which as usual the Brexiters seem to be in denial about. 'Everything will be fine' even if you say it enough doesn't mean it will be, and sticking your finger in your ears rather than considering that there actually there could be serious consequences doesn't mean there wont be.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2018 18:13:18 GMT
Free movement came in during 1992 through John major. Kinnock was Labour leader at that time. Blair was only just getting his foot in the door. 2004 was when he had the option to limit immigration from the then "new" eastern european members ..... up till then free movement had been between nations with a fairly similar living standard Yes, I can see where your coming from. He was a major player in bringing in the huge problems that involved the eastern block. I would also agree, it was the start of a bloody huge, stupid mistake.
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Post by Mr Stabby on Jan 17, 2018 18:16:13 GMT
Free movement came in during 1992 through John major. Kinnock was Labour leader at that time. Blair was only just getting his foot in the door. 2004 was when he had the option to limit immigration from the then "new" eastern european members ..... up till then free movement had been between nations with a fairly similar living standard Exactly. After decades of cautious and prudent expansion, 2004 was the point where the eu decided to invite every third-world Commie shithole to the party.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2018 18:20:40 GMT
No a third of nurses of the 247 asked gave that reason. As I have already said (do keep up) large numbers of nurses are leaving the NHS and some EU nurses have left because of poor working conditions and probably nothing to do with Brexit at all. So what's the issue. People come and go. They still will. Is suspect some of the brexit ones probably would of left any way. With that being the final straw. If you look at the survey results. 'Would have left anyway' was actually a separate option that could have been chosen)
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Post by patty on Jan 17, 2018 18:22:12 GMT
I'm wading into this and no haven't read all the thread..to busy building snowmen to-day to keep on line..visiting friend and there is snoooooooowwwwwww
Ref doctors...they are fed up in this country chasing b..... jobs that are ear marked for peeps whose faces fit....they have to keep re applying and I'm not surprised they desert this country.... o0f course there is uncertainty ..gotta be until all is sorted and if nurses desert we have to train more of our own and treat them right....
We have to look after our work force and they will stay..brexit means out and the sooner we get it all done n dusted the sooner we can rebuild... I was a remain but vote went t'other way so lets just get on with it... If by skiing thread Ive missed summit crucial I have no doubt I will be told xx
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2018 18:33:12 GMT
Decided I can't be bothered - you obviously are not open minded on this issue.
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Post by JohnV on Jan 17, 2018 18:35:16 GMT
Decided I can't be bothered - you obviously are not open minded on this issue. I would have to see a lot of evidence to change my view ....... which was formed by a lot of evidence
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Post by peterboat on Jan 17, 2018 18:44:12 GMT
Decided I can't be bothered - you obviously are not open minded on this issue. I would have to see a lot of evidence to change my view ....... which was formed by a lot of evidence Cheers John you saved me posting the stuff B-Liar even admitted was it last year that it might have been a mistake to allow the migration!!! A mistake its been a grade A fxxxxxg disaster for the most part its just a shame that we cant move a couple of thousand to live next to him the sodding arsehole that he is!! TWAT
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2018 19:36:25 GMT
If by skiing thread Ive missed summit crucial I have no doubt I will be told xx You did Patty but never mind.
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Post by Mr Stabby on Jan 17, 2018 19:48:37 GMT
My own observations tend to suggest that the NHS have been desperate for nurses, with attendant low recruitment standards, since approximately the late 1970s/ early 1980s.
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