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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2018 13:11:48 GMT
He doesn't have to settle anything. Why do people have to make the assumption that kris is wrong and that C&RT are right.If in my opinion it is not safe to move MY BOAT, that's the only opinion I and anyone else requires. Rog If you read my post again you will see I have done nothing of the sort. (I refer you to my forum signature.) I have given a situation where Kris may indeed be correct and where he could be being wrongly penalised. I think more info. is required before blindly accepting CRT is wrong that is all. Moving your boat back up the (A&C as an example) is perfectly safe if the Aire is in flood, so it isn't just a question of 'your opinion'. If you consider that to be unsafe then frankly you shouldn't be boating. You may get stuck at the aqueduct at the bottom of New Junction Canal if they have closed it to stop the River Don overflowing into New Junction Canal but that still gives scope for movement.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2018 13:13:23 GMT
Unbelievable!
Rog
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2018 13:14:14 GMT
Why the silliness. You do yourself no favours. I asked a perfectly civil question in a perfectly civil manner. Why not just answer it.? do mysel no favours with who? You? Anyway to answer your question because experience has taught me it isn't worth entering into a discussion about issues like this with Nick or yourself. In other words I dint value yours or nicks opinions very highly. If you are evasive with CRT as you are on here then I can understand why you get stick from them (notice I said if). Your valuing of my opinion is matterless - if you post in a public forum and if I wish to give it you will get it anyway.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2018 13:14:41 GMT
How so? Come on Rog explain.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2018 13:16:28 GMT
ETA I am a sympathetic 'Friend of C&RT' and some would say therefore, an apologist. But occasionally you just have to accept they are wrong. You added this after I replied. Where exactly do I say CRT might not be in the wrong? I gave a specific example(s) of precisely where they might be.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2018 13:19:16 GMT
Speechless! I'll leave you to it, nothing I can say will make any difference to your view Rog
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2018 13:22:04 GMT
Speechless! I'll leave you to it, nothing I can say will make any difference to your view Rog Which is actually code for 'I can't dispute what you are saying in an intelligible fashion so I will bow out'. Fair enough.
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Post by TonyDunkley on Jan 26, 2018 13:36:37 GMT
Send a letter, to Parry in person, putting him on notice that as the man in overall charge he will carry the ultimate responsibility for his minion's present and future actions in pressurizing you to take your boat on to a river when to do so in the prevailing conditions would invalidate your insurance.
Communications couched in such terms never fail to refocus the C&RT management's warped and addled minds, to the benefit of the sender.
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Post by IainS on Jan 26, 2018 13:38:15 GMT
On the other hand, if the only direction one can move is the opposite of that in which you're travelling, the move is only to avoid over-staying, and it is arguable that that would not be "bona fide use for navigation"! (Obviously, if no safe movement is possible, the above is irrelevant.)
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Post by alex on Jan 26, 2018 13:39:44 GMT
Why the silliness. You do yourself no favours. I asked a perfectly civil question in a perfectly civil manner. Why not just answer it.? do mysel no favours with who? You? Anyway to answer your question because experience has taught me it isn't worth entering into a discussion about issues like this with Nick or yourself. In other words I dint value yours or nicks opinions very highly.
Very wise of you.
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Post by peterboat on Jan 26, 2018 13:40:18 GMT
Generally I have had no problems when caught with rivers in flood, my biggest issue has been getting a letter then the person sending the letter never answering the fone!!!
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Post by bills on Jan 26, 2018 13:48:21 GMT
Kris says in his first post that the river is in flood and it is impossible for him to move safely. This must mean that he is already on the river, so why should anyone challenge that?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2018 13:50:14 GMT
do mysel no favours with who? You? Anyway to answer your question because experience has taught me it isn't worth entering into a discussion about issues like this with Nick or yourself. In other words I dint value yours or nicks opinions very highly.
Very wise of you.
Yes Alex - very good. However as I said if you don't want to just hear responses that support your opinion and not read opinions you might not like it is rather pointless putting it on a public forum. You would actually be better doing what Tony D has suggested.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2018 13:55:08 GMT
Kris says in his first post that the river is in flood and it is impossible for him to move safely. This must mean that he is already on the river, so why should anyone challenge it? He doesn't say he is actually moored on the river that is flooded. There are lots of canalised sections up here, with river sections in between, it's perfectly possible to be hemmed in by a river being in flood but not actually be on the river. That is why I asked for clarification (That is not challenging what he said just seeking a bit more info.) As I said earlier f he was actually on a river or genuinely hemmed in on a canalised section, like we once were and couldn't move then fair enough - CRT are wrong (as I also have already said, more than once now).
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Post by patty on Jan 26, 2018 13:59:10 GMT
May I suggest(feel free to ignore) that you send hard copy letters plus email(with pictures if poss) with all relevant facts...including dangers of attempting to navigate flooded waterways.... I find when dealing with those who are confined to desks or who have difficulty understanding extenuating circumstances outside rigid rules, concise facts and pictures helps. It also means should they hassle in the future you have proof that you made the effort to keep them informed of circumstances preventing you from complying.
I know it seems an awful hassle but now days I think its a necessity to ensure true facts are sent. Occasionally Ive had to go up against the 'institution' and Ive very carefully provided them with all the facts....what helps me is I keep diaries...extensive written records(kids will love it when I pop my clogs) and Ive always got whatever evidence I need.... Just started an elderly friend documenting his 'fight' with some numpty's..may not succeed with that one but giving them a headache
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