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Post by peterboat on Jan 30, 2018 0:17:22 GMT
I refer back to my first comment I am always coming across crap like that entering or leaving locks! Jayne if steering knows what to do and does it. When out with John in the Sabina H it was the same on the Ouse hippos, rhinos and the occasional seal got in the way along with big trees and other debris! I just treat it as a fact of life if I complained and stopped we would never get anywhere so we just get on with it
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2018 0:18:03 GMT
Well no of course you don't, that is part of the problem I would suggest. so your a qualified psychologist are you? Not at all but I can recognise a 'can't do' attitude v a 'can do' one.
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Post by TonyDunkley on Jan 30, 2018 0:56:56 GMT
Well, that's a new one for me, Nick. Let me into the secret, will you, . . at which single locks do you routinely find rafts of floating rubbish of a comparable size to the one in the photos at the start of this thread ? I guess you haven’t been on the remoter parts of the BCN when the wind has blown the debris into a lock mouth. Not as big as in Kriss’ photos, but in proportion to the size of the lock and the gap, similar. Anyway, his original point and the title of this thread was along the lines of whether it is safe to move. The answer is yes because even in the very unlikely event his enormous steel (or is it iron?) boat somehow manages to become stuck on some bits of wood, that is not an unsafe situation, merely an inconvenient one. You're guessing wrong, again. I've come across plenty of lock heads and tails, single, double and broad waterway locks, clagged up with floating rubbish and chunks of wood, but I just can't recall any one of them that had a weir (comparable to the one at Thrumpton, just round the turn from where the photos were taken) with the best part of 3' of fresh going over the crest at the time. An upriver boat damaging and/or weakening its sterngear to the point of impending failure in the course of getting through all that rubbish (which is NOT near a lock and, unlike rubbish obstructing canal locks, can be easily moved and dispersed) is only a matter of 300 to 400 yards away from getting in to the pull from Thrumpton weir as it passes those buildings visible on the portside bank. As remote a possibility as this scenario may be, it is nonetheless a potential hazard which is avoidable and really should be eliminated or at the very least minimised, especially by an organization which, when it suits them so to do, witters on ad nauseum over anything to which 'safety' issues could apply.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2018 1:15:28 GMT
Remote, exactly.
So how does a boat jammed in the lock by the debris now get swept over a wier? Because it's stern gear is now damaged?
You are clutching at straws here Tony.
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Post by TonyDunkley on Jan 30, 2018 1:34:59 GMT
Remote, exactly. So how does a boat jammed in the lock by the debris now get swept over a wier? Because it's stern gear is now damaged? You are clutching at straws here Tony. You need to read what I've said more carefully. Nowhere have I said or suggested that a boat 'jammed' in a lock could be carried over a nearby weir, and nor in fact is the raft of floating rubbish in question adjacent to any lock. I'm certainly not clutching at straws, whereas you undoubtedly have a very firm grasp on some serious confusion.
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Post by naughtyfox on Jan 30, 2018 5:17:59 GMT
Fuck's sake, me and the Witch wouldn't have thought anything of that floating scum at all. Do you have any rocket flares, kris?
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Post by patty on Jan 30, 2018 6:32:31 GMT
Thats a lot of floating rubbish...perhaps a photograph to inform CRT of your intent to move as soon as the navigational hazard clears could be a plan to consider... To carry on arguing on here is not actually going to help prevent an overstay notice..... Perhaps if CRT are aware of the obstacles to your intent they may clear....that is, I agree highly unlikely but at least you will have notified them of 'hazards'
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2018 7:22:17 GMT
Call the police and say you think you saw a body in there while you were probing the area with your long shaft to gauge the severity of the obstruction.
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Post by kris on Jan 30, 2018 7:56:38 GMT
Fuck's sake, me and the Witch wouldn't have thought anything of that floating scum at all. Do you have any rocket flares, kris? I wouldn't think twice if I was on a narrowboat with a weed hatch but I'm not.
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Post by TonyDunkley on Jan 30, 2018 7:58:05 GMT
Fuck's sake, me and the Witch wouldn't have thought anything of that floating scum at all. Do you have any rocket flares, kris? With your boat you wouldn't have to, Foxy. In that raft of floating rubbish at Cranfleet Floodgates, no narrow canalboat has the same potential for sterngear damage and/or getting jammed in the floodgates with chunks of wood between the boat sides and the gates and wall as something like A41 ( kris's boat) does. A narrow beam boat like yours has around a 4' gap to the gates/walls down both sides, . . A41 has 6'' to 8", and the propeller on a Leeds and Liverpool short boat like A41 isn't protected by an overhanging, partially immersed counter the way yours is. The design and shape of the stern of L & L boats causes them to have, particularly at low or very low speed, an unfortunate tendency to draw floating rubbish, like big chunks of tree branches, over the propeller and down into it, whereas the counter on a typical narrow canalboat tends to encourage the same sort of stuff to float harmlessly past.
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Post by Telemachus on Jan 30, 2018 8:05:43 GMT
Fuck's sake, me and the Witch wouldn't have thought anything of that floating scum at all. Do you have any rocket flares, kris? I wouldn't think twice if I was on a narrowboat with a weed hatch but I'm not. That’s why we said to drift past the rubbish in neutral.
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Post by kris on Jan 30, 2018 8:07:52 GMT
I wouldn't think twice if I was on a narrowboat with a weed hatch but I'm not. That’s why we said to drift past the rubbish in neutral. Your still displacing water in neutral!
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Post by naughtyfox on Jan 30, 2018 8:10:39 GMT
How about giving River Canal Rescue a call?
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Post by TonyDunkley on Jan 30, 2018 8:11:16 GMT
I wouldn't think twice if I was on a narrowboat with a weed hatch but I'm not. That’s why we said to drift past the rubbish in neutral. That wouldn't work with a boat like A41, and the reasons why were explained way back towards the beginning of the thread, . . stick to pontificating and/or advising over subjects you know something about !
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Post by kris on Jan 30, 2018 8:12:34 GMT
I just think it's another example in the reduction of maixtenance.
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