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Post by robmcd on Feb 11, 2018 21:31:36 GMT
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Post by robmcd on Feb 11, 2018 21:52:37 GMT
I have just spoke to the seller and his is in Kings Norton Birmingham, I know it well and grew up not far away. If anyone can help me who is in Birmingham with the viewing as a more experienced eye is needed hear I think with this boat. He is off work wednesday this week and I can pick you up and drop you off it would be a massive help.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2018 22:56:20 GMT
I think it all depends on the condition of the hull. The rest is based on how much work you are prepared to take on.
The morso stove looks knackered despite claims about it working.
If you could get the thing out the water and get somebody to look at the hull and see how it performs underway it could be a bargain if you could get it for not much more than the current price.
How sure are you the seller owns it?
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Post by robmcd on Feb 12, 2018 0:00:02 GMT
I think it all depends on the condition of the hull. The rest is based on how much work you are prepared to take on. The morso stove looks knackered despite claims about it working. If you could get the thing out the water and get somebody to look at the hull and see how it performs underway it could be a bargain if you could get it for not much more than the current price. How sure are you the seller owns it? I know nothing other than where it is moored up, it is rough and no mistake judging by the pictures, I though no more than 8k and thats with a good hull and engine due to all the work it needs.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2018 0:19:08 GMT
I think it all depends on the condition of the hull. The rest is based on how much work you are prepared to take on. The morso stove looks knackered despite claims about it working. If you could get the thing out the water and get somebody to look at the hull and see how it performs underway it could be a bargain if you could get it for not much more than the current price. How sure are you the seller owns it? I know nothing other than where it is moored up, it is rough and no mistake judging by the pictures, I though no more than 8k and thats with a good hull and engine due to all the work it needs. I would regard it as effectively the same as a 'sailaway'. Ie it moves under its own power has some basics but thats about it.
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Post by patty on Feb 12, 2018 7:05:18 GMT
I suppose its how the pics are taken but on some it looks to be green and red and the others white n black..is it the same boat on them all? I'd be careful ref ownership...looks right mess inside..unloved and unused which raises question of engine maintenance and hull... Could be good buy could be expensive mistake
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2018 7:41:08 GMT
Built by Milethorne Marine. I've never heard of them but it looks like a reasonable boat to me.
It's possible its actually a very good boat just in very bad state. A friend of mine managed to get an old Pinder narrow boat cheap because it was in a bad state internally. Fundamentally its a good boat.
There is a 58ft by same builder same year asking £35k on Rugby Boats. Obviously a completely different boat but looks to be a quality shell I think.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2018 8:16:42 GMT
Hull condition is everything, being able to get at and asses the bits that will make it sink are more important than anything, the rest is just nuts and bolts and wood butchery. The expensive and difficult bit is keeping the canal outside where it belongs, teabag boats will rip through money like it's going out of fashion.
As Martin points out for the rest of it you'd have to consider it a secondhand sailaway, whether the floor is any good can't be ascertained from the pictures.
There doesn't appear to be a great deal worth saving inside.
If you don't mind plenty of hard work and it isn't as rotten as a pear it's probably no better or worse than other stuff available at that end of the market.
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Post by JohnV on Feb 12, 2018 8:27:13 GMT
I think it all depends on the condition of the hull. The rest is based on how much work you are prepared to take on. that's the nub everything hinges on the thickness and any deep pitting ........ trouble is it's a gamble in any direction, you can't be sure of the hull while it is in the water, you can only make an informed guess. If you have it lifted/docked for a full inspection then if it's grim you lose the cost of that. The engine you can listen to and get an idea of it's condition. What is your aversion to risk? ...... if you can get it for close to that price and have financial back up to allow for some re-plating/over plating it could be a very good buy. As a boat, it has enough sheer both on the bow and the rear cabin to be quite a pleasing shape. Internally .... it just depends how good/able to learn you are with D.I.Y. I quite like it and if I was looking for another project (heaven forbid) I would be having a serious look bloody hell, I must learn to type faster ...... I was overtaken by Gazza !!!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2018 9:05:52 GMT
Hull condition is everything, being able to get at and asses the bits that will make it sink are more important than anything, the rest is just nuts and bolts and wood butchery. The expensive and difficult bit is keeping the canal outside where it belongs, teabag boats will rip through money like it's going out of fashion. As Martin points out for the rest of it you'd have to consider it a secondhand sailaway, whether the floor is any good can't be ascertained from the pictures. There doesn't appear to be a great deal worth saving inside. If you don't mind plenty of hard work and it isn't as rotten as a pear it's probably no better or worse than other stuff available at that end of the market. 1989 is 30 years so a gamble certainly. I was thinking that if it was built by a good builder which looks to be the case there is a good chance the steelwork will be OK because of early ownership maintenance so even if it's been left for a few years it may not have been neglected for its entire life. How long do we think 6mm sides would last given no maintenance? Worst case scenario after how long would you actually get holes?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2018 9:08:38 GMT
I think it's a good boat and someone will pay good money for it.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2018 9:13:10 GMT
I hate narrow boats. I lived in narrow boats continuously from 1995 to 2007. That's enough for me
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2018 9:33:27 GMT
Hull condition is everything, being able to get at and asses the bits that will make it sink are more important than anything, the rest is just nuts and bolts and wood butchery. The expensive and difficult bit is keeping the canal outside where it belongs, teabag boats will rip through money like it's going out of fashion. As Martin points out for the rest of it you'd have to consider it a secondhand sailaway, whether the floor is any good can't be ascertained from the pictures. There doesn't appear to be a great deal worth saving inside. If you don't mind plenty of hard work and it isn't as rotten as a pear it's probably no better or worse than other stuff available at that end of the market. 1989 is 30 years so a gamble certainly. I was thinking that if it was built by a good builder which looks to be the case there is a good chance the steelwork will be OK because of early ownership maintenance so even if it's been left for a few years it may not have been neglected for its entire life. How long do we think 6mm sides would last given no maintenance? Worst case scenario after how long would you actually get holes? In my experience 30 years is getting on for the critical age for poorly looked after steel, 40 years and it's a fair bet it will be needing a lot of TLC, that said 10-15 year old boats that have been juiced by poorly installed electrical systems (be that onboard or the land supply) have had their useful life halved! As John points out, it's ones acceptance of risk (and bank balance!) that dictates the way to go on elderly unloved boats.
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Post by lollygagger on Feb 12, 2018 10:52:22 GMT
Age no problem if it's been loved. My previous boat is 29, no pitting over 0.5mm. Current boat is 10 and worse. Left to rot along the water line until it was blasted and 2-packed. Hopefully that's sorted now. I didn't have either surveyed. If I'd thought a survey necessary I'd have most likely crossed them off the list though current boat was close until I saw a set of high res before and after blasting/2-pack photos. The old adage "any doubt, walk away" holds true, there doesn't appear to be a shortage of boats for sale.
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Post by robmcd on Feb 12, 2018 11:39:01 GMT
I suppose its how the pics are taken but on some it looks to be green and red and the others white n black..is it the same boat on them all? I'd be careful ref ownership...looks right mess inside..unloved and unused which raises question of engine maintenance and hull... Could be good buy could be expensive mistake I allways thing the same, if what you can see hasn't been looked after then what about what you can't see.
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