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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2018 17:13:00 GMT
I mean.... Black Bin Liners Matter! Well if we are going down that train of thought... How about ethical sourcing of down products! Duck lives matter!
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Post by Jim on Mar 4, 2018 17:25:20 GMT
Well if we are going down that train of thought... How about ethical sourcing of down products! Duck lives matter! Eider prefer real feathers.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2018 17:58:51 GMT
Eider prefer real feathers. How do you get down from a roof?
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Post by Jim on Mar 4, 2018 18:03:48 GMT
Eider prefer real feathers. How do you get down from a roof? You don't........
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2018 18:12:11 GMT
You're going to need a sleeping bag
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Post by naughtyfox on Mar 4, 2018 18:32:20 GMT
The ethics of harvesting feathers. It's probably not done very nicely, or do they just pick up the feathers that have dropped to the ground? Not something I have ever read about. I believe Poland supplies feathers for sleeping bags - that's all I know on the subject. "The bigger the bird the bigger the down cluster, so that’s why big geese make better down than smaller ducks. The climate in which the bird is raised also has an effect, with thicker clusters being found on birds that need more insulation (unfortunately Siberian geese are rare). Perhaps it’s for this reason that Vietnamese and Caribbean down isn’t as highly prized as more northerly grown down. Most down is a by-product of the food industry and so the size of a down cluster is determined by when the bird gets the chop. China is the chief source of down and in the last 20 years they have gone from just supplying the raw product to also manufacturing the majority of the world’s down products. This has led to a dramatic drop in price forcing the home grown down manufacturers to move their focus - like many western industries - from bread and butter bags to the more specialized end of the market. Most of the 500-fill to 600-fill down comes from Chinese geese, with the birds being killed at only 12 weeks (weighing 2.7kg to 3.6kg). Europe is the second biggest source of down, with its birds generally being raised to an older age than Chinese birds, meaning most high quality, high-fill down comes from Europe. The Euro birds get the chop at 16 to 20 weeks (6.4kg to 7.3kg), producing higher grade down of between 650-fill and 700-fill. The highest quality down comes from very old birds of over two years old (9kg). Some of these birds are ‘guard geese’, used to protect the other farmyard animals and are highly prized, meaning this down is not cheap. Much of this down is exported from the former Eastern Bloc, meaning down quality has improved since the fall of the Iron Curtain. Not all birds need to die to keep you warm though. Some Hungarian geese are plucked while still alive, while the platinum premier down comes from the living eider duck. This cliff-dwelling bird is a protected species and so the down must be collected by hand from its empty nests. Personally I’m not sure who I’d rather not be - a Hungarian goose or an eiderdown collector?" Read more at: andy-kirkpatrick.com/articles/view/feather_facts
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2018 18:46:39 GMT
Anyway.
As the boat doesn't seem to get damp I think I'll probably settle for a full set of John Lewis 100% cotton bed linen and a modern polywhatever duvet inner and pillows. No real need for a sleeping bag as its not something needing carrying about.
The general consensus seems to be against down products in ethical grounds (cruelty to water fowl) and also a slight risk of damp issues. So modern synthetic stuff is probably better. I do prefer cotton linen though.
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Post by patty on Mar 4, 2018 19:18:06 GMT
I woz somewhere ...and got told local men collected the eider down feathers from the nests as they were plucked by the birds themselves to make soft lining for their nests so I guess collecting them could be ok cept it'd leave the little ones tad chilly.
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Post by Stumpy on Mar 4, 2018 20:16:48 GMT
Actually I just went back to the yot after leaving it for a week including during the beast of the east event and there wasn't a trace of damp in there anyway. So a down bag might be alright after all. Still invest in those disposable de-humidifiers.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2018 20:17:48 GMT
Yes. I think it will be wise.
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Post by patty on Mar 5, 2018 6:45:32 GMT
Actually I just went back to the yot after leaving it for a week including during the beast of the east event and there wasn't a trace of damp in there anyway. So a down bag might be alright after all. Still invest in those disposable de-humidifiers. you can get mini hand bag sized ones now...not sure how much use they'd be but I thought might get a few to put in drawers in the kitchen...that or just burn the wooden spoons...
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Post by Jim on Mar 7, 2018 7:09:08 GMT
The ethics of harvesting feathers. It's probably not done very nicely, or do they just pick up the feathers that have dropped to the ground? Not something I have ever read about. I believe Poland supplies feathers for sleeping bags - that's all I know on the subject. "The bigger the bird the bigger the down cluster, so that’s why big geese make better down than smaller ducks. The climate in which the bird is raised also has an effect, with thicker clusters being found on birds that need more insulation (unfortunately Siberian geese are rare). Perhaps it’s for this reason that Vietnamese and Caribbean down isn’t as highly prized as more northerly grown down. Most down is a by-product of the food industry and so the size of a down cluster is determined by when the bird gets the chop. China is the chief source of down and in the last 20 years they have gone from just supplying the raw product to also manufacturing the majority of the world’s down products. This has led to a dramatic drop in price forcing the home grown down manufacturers to move their focus - like many western industries - from bread and butter bags to the more specialized end of the market. Most of the 500-fill to 600-fill down comes from Chinese geese, with the birds being killed at only 12 weeks (weighing 2.7kg to 3.6kg). Europe is the second biggest source of down, with its birds generally being raised to an older age than Chinese birds, meaning most high quality, high-fill down comes from Europe. The Euro birds get the chop at 16 to 20 weeks (6.4kg to 7.3kg), producing higher grade down of between 650-fill and 700-fill. The highest quality down comes from very old birds of over two years old (9kg). Some of these birds are ‘guard geese’, used to protect the other farmyard animals and are highly prized, meaning this down is not cheap. Much of this down is exported from the former Eastern Bloc, meaning down quality has improved since the fall of the Iron Curtain. Not all birds need to die to keep you warm though. Some Hungarian geese are plucked while still alive, while the platinum premier down comes from the living eider duck. This cliff-dwelling bird is a protected species and so the down must be collected by hand from its empty nests. Personally I’m not sure who I’d rather not be - a Hungarian goose or an eiderdown collector?" Read more at: andy-kirkpatrick.com/articles/view/feather_factsFox complains about goose murderers? WTF! 🦊
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Post by JohnV on Mar 7, 2018 8:25:15 GMT
The ethics of harvesting feathers. It's probably not done very nicely, or do they just pick up the feathers that have dropped to the ground? Not something I have ever read about. I believe Poland supplies feathers for sleeping bags - that's all I know on the subject. "The bigger the bird the bigger the down cluster, so that’s why big geese make better down than smaller ducks. The climate in which the bird is raised also has an effect, with thicker clusters being found on birds that need more insulation (unfortunately Siberian geese are rare). Perhaps it’s for this reason that Vietnamese and Caribbean down isn’t as highly prized as more northerly grown down. Most down is a by-product of the food industry and so the size of a down cluster is determined by when the bird gets the chop. China is the chief source of down and in the last 20 years they have gone from just supplying the raw product to also manufacturing the majority of the world’s down products. This has led to a dramatic drop in price forcing the home grown down manufacturers to move their focus - like many western industries - from bread and butter bags to the more specialized end of the market. Most of the 500-fill to 600-fill down comes from Chinese geese, with the birds being killed at only 12 weeks (weighing 2.7kg to 3.6kg). Europe is the second biggest source of down, with its birds generally being raised to an older age than Chinese birds, meaning most high quality, high-fill down comes from Europe. The Euro birds get the chop at 16 to 20 weeks (6.4kg to 7.3kg), producing higher grade down of between 650-fill and 700-fill. The highest quality down comes from very old birds of over two years old (9kg). Some of these birds are ‘guard geese’, used to protect the other farmyard animals and are highly prized, meaning this down is not cheap. Much of this down is exported from the former Eastern Bloc, meaning down quality has improved since the fall of the Iron Curtain. Not all birds need to die to keep you warm though. Some Hungarian geese are plucked while still alive, while the platinum premier down comes from the living eider duck. This cliff-dwelling bird is a protected species and so the down must be collected by hand from its empty nests. Personally I’m not sure who I’d rather not be - a Hungarian goose or an eiderdown collector?" Read more at: andy-kirkpatrick.com/articles/view/feather_factsFox complains about goose murderers? WTF! 🦊 He also shows great ignorance of the way you harvest Eider down
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Post by Jim on Mar 7, 2018 9:05:31 GMT
Fox complains about goose murderers? WTF! 🦊 He also shows great ignorance of the way you harvest Eider down I thought you got down off an Elephant.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2018 9:09:48 GMT
How do you get down off a hobby horse ?
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