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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2016 15:50:54 GMT
Well big wins for Clinton and Trump in New York yesterday,I believe now Sanders is finished and you would think we are guaranteed a Clinton V Trump contest for the presidency. Trump remains the most intriguing I think,will the Republican Party give him their nomination? What we need now is some Statesman Like quotes,opinions and behaviour the question being Is that beyond him? The media bias against Bernie Sanders is atrocious, and you, sir, have fallen for their narrative. Prior to losing New York, Bernie Sanders won nine primaries/caucuses in a row, some with landslide wins, and the silence from the media was deafening. Hillary finally pulls off a narrow victory in New York and all of a sudden Bernie is finished. What a crock of shit! One of the ways that the media distorts this race is by awarding almost all of the "super delegates" to HRC. Super delegates are delegates who aren't bound to vote for anyone, they can vote for whomever they please. At the start of this race, the media decided to award 500+ of the 540 super delegates to HRC; 38 of those went to Bernie. Giving Hillary a 500+ imaginary lead in the delegate counts makes it look like she has a much bigger lead than she actually has. However, despite what the media says, come convention (nomination) time, those super delegates are free to vote for either candidate, and those folks will be prone to vote for the candidate they think will win. Their loyalty is to the party, not to HRC. The actual delegate count in the democratic primary right now is HRC 1,428 - Bernie Sanders 1,151. There are 1,646 Delegates still available. It takes 2,383 delegates to win the nomination. Many of the early primaries were in southern states, where Hillary has a distinct advantage over Bernie. The upcoming primaries are in states that favor Bernie, so expect to see HRC's lead diminish rapidly. The super delegates are the wild card in this election. Super delegates tend to be elected officials, like congress members, so they are answerable to the voters. The democratic establishment wants HRC to be the candidate; the people want Bernie Sanders. It will be interesting to see who prevails. One thing that is almost for certain is that the democratic candidate will almost certainly be our next president. Bernie Sanders would be good for the US, and for the world. HRC would be just more of the same as we are seeing now. The democratic primary race is, in fact, neck and neck, and momentum is on Bernie's side right now. Brilliant post Paul,I saw an article online and drew my comment from there,I did slightly try and imbibe it with some doubt,but you have put my arse in a sling and theres no doubt about that.What a great Forum this is becoming.I honestly had no idea about how those super delegates are apportioned to each candidate,is that based on their voting history? As regards our old friend The Donald,do you think that there is any way the Republican Party won't endorse him assuming he maintains momentum of course.
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Post by PaulG2 on Apr 20, 2016 18:24:01 GMT
Brilliant post Paul,I saw an article online and drew my comment from there,I did slightly try and imbibe it with some doubt,but you have put my arse in a sling and theres no doubt about that.What a great Forum this is becoming.I honestly had no idea about how those super delegates are apportioned to each candidate,is that based on their voting history? As regards our old friend The Donald,do you think that there is any way the Republican Party won't endorse him assuming he maintains momentum of course. As I understand it, the super delegates can vote for whomever they please, they are not bound to any candidate. I believe the republican party would support Josef Stalin if he won the nomination. For republicans, it is always "party first". The thing about Trump is that a lot republicans don't like him and might just stay home instead of voting, giving the entire election to the democrats. The Republican National Committee are doing all they can to defeat Trump. Unfortunately, Ted Cruz is number two in the race, and he is more unpopular than Trump. Cruz is a dominionist weasel and is disliked by most people who know him. The RNC seem to think they somehow defeat Trump and Cruz and instill a more viable candidate. The trouble is, their entire slate of candidates was a clown car from the beginning, and they really don't have a competent person to put forth.
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2016 12:11:07 GMT
Well it appears now we are going to have the contest we all wanted to see between Trump and Clinton,I know Clinton has still to be decided so to speak,but going by Obamas statement at the Press Function last week I think PaulG2 has it maybe wrong with his Bernie Sanders prediction,in fact I think Colonel Sanders of KFC has more chance and he is dead this last 40 yrs. Well I am backing Trump to win,not that I agree with any of his policies,I don't know that he has any? but I certainly agree change is needed both in the USA and also Britain,The Political Establishment has let us down badly,how much worse can a Trump Presidency be ?
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Post by peterboat on May 4, 2016 13:36:20 GMT
Does he care? and do the people who are voting for him care? They are pissed off to say the least! well paid blue collar jobs are in decline, poverty is rife, they want change and Trump is promising it to them, in a language they understand
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Post by loafer on May 4, 2016 18:00:07 GMT
I'd love to see Trump win. It'd be a right giggle. Maybe it would also WORK well!
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2016 19:50:41 GMT
I'd love to see Trump win. It'd be a right giggle. Maybe it would also WORK well! Channel 4 news live from Washington tonight interviewing the Political Editor of the Daily Beast who said " if anyone thinks Hillary is a shoe in because Trump is the opposition they are wrong " He went on to say that everything is up for grabs now and it was going to get dirty,very dirty.
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Post by ammodels on May 4, 2016 20:21:22 GMT
Trump wins and the world will burn.
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2016 20:33:19 GMT
Trump wins and the world will burn. Reactionist Bollocks
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2016 20:42:56 GMT
I genuinely think that everyone has bought into this media driven caricature of Trump as some Halfwit. When you look at the mess the Political Establishment has the world in can it be any worse ?
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Post by loafer on May 4, 2016 21:03:49 GMT
Trump wins and the world will burn. The world is burning already. Maybe Trumpton will have a fire engine!
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Post by PaulG2 on May 4, 2016 23:45:43 GMT
Well it appears now we are going to have the contest we all wanted to see between Trump and Clinton,I know Clinton has still to be decided so to speak,but going by Obamas statement at the Press Function last week I think PaulG2 has it maybe wrong with his Bernie Sanders prediction,in fact I think Colonel Sanders of KFC has more chance and he is dead this last 40 yrs. Well I am backing Trump to win,not that I agree with any of his policies,I don't know that he has any? but I certainly agree change is needed both in the USA and also Britain,The Political Establishment has let us down badly,how much worse can a Trump Presidency be ? Do you mis-state what I said purposely, or do you just not understand my words. Re-read what I said. I summarized the election as it stood at the time and accurately prognosticated how certain things would progress. I never predicted a Sanders victory. I did say I support Sanders and I think he would be good for the US and the world. Donald Trump is a political enigma and it is almost impossible to know what he might do if elected. One thing that Donald Trump has done is he has harvested American workers' frustration with the political system in general and our broken immigration system in particular. For the last 35 years successive republican and democratic administrations have allowed our southern border to remain open to just about anyone who wants to walk across it. This happens to coincide with 35 years of stagnated wages. Democrats supposedly represent the working people, but their agenda has been hijacked and democrats are in favor of allowing open borders and making all the illegals legal. This one issue (illegal immigration) is what keeps the democrats from totally owning this government. They are on the wrong side of the issue and that drives away just enough voters to give the republicans victories. It's difficult to say what Trump presidency would be like. Like I said, he's a political enigma. What would happen during a Trump administration would depend on the makeup of congress. If he had a republican majority in the House and the Senate, it would be Katie bar the door because the inmates would truly be in charge of the asylum. If democrats take a majority in congress, a Trump administration might actually be a good one.
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2016 3:57:36 GMT
Well it appears now we are going to have the contest we all wanted to see between Trump and Clinton,I know Clinton has still to be decided so to speak,but going by Obamas statement at the Press Function last week I think PaulG2 has it maybe wrong with his Bernie Sanders prediction,in fact I think Colonel Sanders of KFC has more chance and he is dead this last 40 yrs. Well I am backing Trump to win,not that I agree with any of his policies,I don't know that he has any? but I certainly agree change is needed both in the USA and also Britain,The Political Establishment has let us down badly,how much worse can a Trump Presidency be ? Do you mis-state what I said purposely, or do you just not understand my words. Re-read what I saiid. I summarized the election as it stood at the time and accurately prognosticated how certain things would progress. I never predicted a Sanders victory. I did say I support Sanders and I think he would be good for the US and the world. Donald Trump is a political enigma and it is almost impossible to know what he might do if elected. One thing that Donald Trump has done is he has harvested American workers' frustration with the political system in general and our broken immigration system in particular. For the last 35 years successive republican and democratic administrations have allowed our southern border to remain open to just about anyone who wants to walk across it. This happens to coincide with 35 years of stagnated wages. Democrats supposedly represent the working people, but their agenda has been hijacked and democrats are in favor of allowing open borders and making all the illegals legal. This one issue (illegal immigration) is what keeps the democrats from totally owning this government. They are on the wrong side of the issue and that drives away just enough voters to give the republicans victories. It's difficult to say what Trump presidency would be like. Like I said, he's a political enigma. What would happen during a Trump administration would depend on the makeup of congress. If he had a republican majority in the House and the Senate, it would be Katie bar the door because the inmates would truly be in charge of the asylum. If democrats take a majority in congress, a Trump administration might actually be a good one. Are you always an arrogant knobber or is it just an affliction you have when you post on Internet forums? To sum up the missive above,you did say not to write of Sanders as the Super Delegates could still have an impact, what did I misunderstand there ? nothing.I name checked you in my post as I know you have an interest,nothing derogatory. Trump is an Enigma and has the Political Establishment shaking in their shoes,no doubt about that.So much for your "Accurate Prognostication" You had Trump wrong and Sanders also,perhaps you want to get over there give them the benefit of your Political Insight. Right ?
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Post by macwolfelee on May 5, 2016 10:08:37 GMT
I genuinely think that everyone has bought into this media driven caricature of Trump as some Halfwit. When you look at the mess the Political Establishment has the world in can it be any worse ? Well I don't think he is a halfwit, but he is certainly a petulant vindictive bully, judging by our experience of him in Scotland.
As for his business acumen, I have seen it estimated that if he had left the fortune left him by his father to be passively invested, then he would have made just about the same.
But hey-ho, the Presidency can change people. Similarly dire predictions were about before Reagan was elected, and he turned out one of the most popular presidents of the 20th Century. The difference, however, is that Reagan was a basically likeable man.
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2016 10:59:05 GMT
I genuinely think that everyone has bought into this media driven caricature of Trump as some Halfwit. When you look at the mess the Political Establishment has the world in can it be any worse ? Well I don't think he is a halfwit, but he is certainly a petulant vindictive bully, judging by our experience of him in Scotland.
As for his business acumen, I have seen it estimated that if he had left the fortune left him by his father to be passively invested, then he would have made just about the same.
But hey-ho, the Presidency can change people. Similarly dire predictions were about before Reagan was elected, and he turned out one of the most popular presidents of the 20th Century. The difference, however, is that Reagan was a basically likeable man.
I think he is probably a lot of things,its a bit similar to the SNP,hunger for change and how people react to the promise of something different,even if it proves to be a mirage in the end.
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2016 16:13:01 GMT
David Cameron has been quoted in the Late Editions today as saying that Donald Trump deserves respect for winning through the Primaries to become the Presumptive Republican Canditate. Is this the start of a more conciliatory tone towards the potential next President of the United States ? Politicians,they make you smile.
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