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Post by PaulG2 on May 5, 2016 17:40:25 GMT
Do you mis-state what I said purposely, or do you just not understand my words. Re-read what I saiid. I summarized the election as it stood at the time and accurately prognosticated how certain things would progress. I never predicted a Sanders victory. I did say I support Sanders and I think he would be good for the US and the world. Donald Trump is a political enigma and it is almost impossible to know what he might do if elected. One thing that Donald Trump has done is he has harvested American workers' frustration with the political system in general and our broken immigration system in particular. For the last 35 years successive republican and democratic administrations have allowed our southern border to remain open to just about anyone who wants to walk across it. This happens to coincide with 35 years of stagnated wages. Democrats supposedly represent the working people, but their agenda has been hijacked and democrats are in favor of allowing open borders and making all the illegals legal. This one issue (illegal immigration) is what keeps the democrats from totally owning this government. They are on the wrong side of the issue and that drives away just enough voters to give the republicans victories. It's difficult to say what Trump presidency would be like. Like I said, he's a political enigma. What would happen during a Trump administration would depend on the makeup of congress. If he had a republican majority in the House and the Senate, it would be Katie bar the door because the inmates would truly be in charge of the asylum. If democrats take a majority in congress, a Trump administration might actually be a good one. Are you always an arrogant knobber or is it just an affliction you have when you post on Internet forums? To sum up the missive above,you did say not to write of Sanders as the Super Delegates could still have an impact, what did I misunderstand there ? nothing.I name checked you in my post as I know you have an interest,nothing derogatory. Trump is an Enigma and has the Political Establishment shaking in their shoes,no doubt about that.So much for your "Accurate Prognostication" You had Trump wrong and Sanders also,perhaps you want to get over there give them the benefit of your Political Insight. Right ? I'm generally just an arrogant knobber with half wits who can't comprehend what they read and then misconstrue what I said. Anyway, for the nimrod who goes around acting like he is the savior and de rigor moderator of Thunderboat, you have no room to talk about being an arrogant knobber. I'm trying to give anyone interested an insight into American politics from an American perspective. The fact that you don't have a clue what super delegates are, or how they affect the democratic nomination and Bernie Sanders, does not mean that the race, and Bernie's chances, are not affected by the super delegates. I never predicted victory for Sanders. All I said was don't count him out - and here's why don't count him out. Perhaps if you were to open your mind to learning something, instead of trying to be Mr. Know-it-all, we might actually be able to have an intelligent discourse about this issues. However, as long as you insist upon playing forum god, you really aren't much better than a troll.
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2016 18:00:00 GMT
Are you always an arrogant knobber or is it just an affliction you have when you post on Internet forums? To sum up the missive above,you did say not to write of Sanders as the Super Delegates could still have an impact, what did I misunderstand there ? nothing.I name checked you in my post as I know you have an interest,nothing derogatory. Trump is an Enigma and has the Political Establishment shaking in their shoes,no doubt about that.So much for your "Accurate Prognostication" You had Trump wrong and Sanders also,perhaps you want to get over there give them the benefit of your Political Insight. Right ? I'm generally just an arrogant knobber with half wits who can't comprehend what they read and then misconstrue what I said. Anyway, for the nimrod who goes around acting like he is the savior and de rigor moderator of Thunderboat, you have no room to talk about being an arrogant knobber. I'm trying to give anyone interested an insight into American politics from an American perspective. The fact that you don't have a clue what super delegates are, or how they affect the democratic nomination and Bernie Sanders, does not mean that the race, and Bernie's chances, are not affected by the super delegates. I never predicted victory for Sanders. All I said was don't count him out - and here's why don't count him out. Perhaps if you were to open your mind to learning something, instead of trying to be Mr. Know-it-all, we might actually be able to have an intelligent discourse about this issues. However, as long as you insist upon playing forum god, you really aren't much better than a troll. I honestly don't know what you feel I failed to comprehend in my post that seems to have upset you nor do I know what I have misconstrued? You said in the post I was referring to,that the momentum was with Sanders and this proved not to be the case,so in an effort to invite more debate your post was mentioned.You have then embarked on an attack accusing me of failing to understand and misconstruing your words,where have I done that ? I have never pretended to be a Mr Know it all,I have even thanked you for informing me of things I was unaware of,perhaps you have forgotten? As regard Forum Moderator ?I assume you refer to our last spat where you posted "Mike the boiler man is a jolly good fellow".I told you and everyone else on the forum why I wanted you to withdraw it,you obviously had second thoughts because the last time I looked you were telling the Moderator that having reflected on the matter,you would have no objection if he withdrew the thread also.Again I think your attack on me is unwarranted.
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2016 18:02:14 GMT
Are you always an arrogant knobber or is it just an affliction you have when you post on Internet forums? To sum up the missive above,you did say not to write of Sanders as the Super Delegates could still have an impact, what did I misunderstand there ? nothing.I name checked you in my post as I know you have an interest,nothing derogatory. Trump is an Enigma and has the Political Establishment shaking in their shoes,no doubt about that.So much for your "Accurate Prognostication" You had Trump wrong and Sanders also,perhaps you want to get over there give them the benefit of your Political Insight. Right ? I'm generally just an arrogant knobber with half wits who can't comprehend what they read and then misconstrue what I said. Anyway, for the nimrod who goes around acting like he is the savior and de rigor moderator of Thunderboat, you have no room to talk about being an arrogant knobber. I'm trying to give anyone interested an insight into American politics from an American perspective. The fact that you don't have a clue what super delegates are, or how they affect the democratic nomination and Bernie Sanders, does not mean that the race, and Bernie's chances, are not affected by the super delegates. I never predicted victory for Sanders. All I said was don't count him out - and here's why don't count him out. Perhaps if you were to open your mind to learning something, instead of trying to be Mr. Know-it-all, we might actually be able to have an intelligent discourse about this issues. However, as long as you insist upon playing forum god, you really aren't much better than a troll. I just wanted to add that for my being "a halfwit" fair comment .Everyone has a relevant opinion even a halfwit.Super Delegates? this halfwit thinks your wrong there too.
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Post by loafer on May 5, 2016 18:58:50 GMT
I, in my usual ignorance, think it would be a whole lot of fun with him in power. If he's elected, then he's the right man for his people.
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Post by JohnV on May 5, 2016 20:25:13 GMT
I, in my usual ignorance, think it would be a whole lot of fun with him in power. If he's elected, then he's the right man for his people. Given the propensity for the US presidency, over the years, to be behind some particularly dirty undercover work. Having someone with Trump's vindictive disposition in that office is not something that I think will be much "fun"
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Post by loafer on May 5, 2016 20:34:15 GMT
I, in my usual ignorance, think it would be a whole lot of fun with him in power. If he's elected, then he's the right man for his people. Given the propensity for the US presidency, over the years, to be behind some particularly dirty undercover work. Having someone with Trump's vindictive disposition in that office is not something that I think will be much "fun" OK, I'll re-word 'fun' with 'interesting' then John. I'll bet you a pint though, that there would be fun involved, and LOTS of Popcorn!
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Post by JohnV on May 5, 2016 20:49:38 GMT
Given the propensity for the US presidency, over the years, to be behind some particularly dirty undercover work. Having someone with Trump's vindictive disposition in that office is not something that I think will be much "fun" OK, I'll re-word 'fun' with 'interesting' then John. I'll bet you a pint though, that there would be fun involved, and LOTS of Popcorn! Ok ....... I'll give you that one then loafer !
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Post by loafer on May 5, 2016 20:57:38 GMT
OK, I'll re-word 'fun' with 'interesting' then John. I'll bet you a pint though, that there would be fun involved, and LOTS of Popcorn! Ok ....... I'll give you that one then loafer ! No no - the pint has to be won or lost. We have to wait and see, see? If he doesn't get in, then all bets are off (Although I'd still buy you a pint)!
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2016 8:00:00 GMT
This is one of these Events in History where you can possibly ignore all Political Pollsters and any Analysis and just sit back in your armchair and think just how sick you are of the whole damn lot of it. Recession,Immigration,State Pensions,Property Prices,Austerity,Brexit ,where is the Upside,where are we going ? That I believe explains the Rise of the Donald and on the basis of us normally being about !0 years behind America, perhaps there may be some hope after all.
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Post by macwolfelee on May 6, 2016 10:58:23 GMT
This all reminds me of the ancient Chinese curse: "May you live in interesting times".
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Post by PaulG2 on May 7, 2016 14:43:28 GMT
I'm generally just an arrogant knobber with half wits who can't comprehend what they read and then misconstrue what I said. Anyway, for the nimrod who goes around acting like he is the savior and de rigor moderator of Thunderboat, you have no room to talk about being an arrogant knobber. I'm trying to give anyone interested an insight into American politics from an American perspective. The fact that you don't have a clue what super delegates are, or how they affect the democratic nomination and Bernie Sanders, does not mean that the race, and Bernie's chances, are not affected by the super delegates. I never predicted victory for Sanders. All I said was don't count him out - and here's why don't count him out. Perhaps if you were to open your mind to learning something, instead of trying to be Mr. Know-it-all, we might actually be able to have an intelligent discourse about this issues. However, as long as you insist upon playing forum god, you really aren't much better than a troll. I honestly don't know what you feel I failed to comprehend in my post that seems to have upset you nor do I know what I have misconstrued? You said in the post I was referring to,that the momentum was with Sanders and this proved not to be the case,so in an effort to invite more debate your post was mentioned.You have then embarked on an attack accusing me of failing to understand and misconstruing your words,where have I done that ? I have never pretended to be a Mr Know it all,I have even thanked you for informing me of things I was unaware of,perhaps you have forgotten? As regard Forum Moderator ?I assume you refer to our last spat where you posted "Mike the boiler man is a jolly good fellow".I told you and everyone else on the forum why I wanted you to withdraw it,you obviously had second thoughts because the last time I looked you were telling the Moderator that having reflected on the matter,you would have no objection if he withdrew the thread also.Again I think your attack on me is unwarranted. Maybe now we are getting somewhere..... First of all, you confuse angry and arrogant with aggressive. I tend to be a bit aggressive when debating issues, particularly when I think people are purposely misconstruing what I said, but that's just me. Then, you seem to confuse my saying Bernie has momentum to me predicting he will win. The two are not the same. If you don't agree with me about Bernie having momentum, perhaps you will believe a distinguished publication like politico. I'm trying to give all y'all some insight into what is happening here, not argue with you about something I didn't say. I really don't appreciate you misquoting me just to say I was wrong, particularly when it adds nothing to the point you are trying to get across. I think you also need to distinguish between saying "I disagree with you" and saying "You are wrong." Unless we are discussing established fact, the former starts a debate, the latter, an argument. The political situation in the US right now is such a circus, I wouldn't know what to predict even if I was so inclined. The US political system is confusing. For example, we don't really have a country-wide general election. We have 50 Statewide elections on the same day. The president is not elected by popular vote. The states select "electors" according to their populations and those electors vote for president. Presidential candidates campaign in states where they think they can win, and ignore states where they have no chance. For example, Trump will probably not visit California much during his campaign. California will vote solid democratic in the presidential race and Trump would be wasting his time here. This tradition comes from the time when communications were not instantaneous, or even quick. The country would vote and then representatives from the States would travel on horseback to Washington D.C. where they would register the votes from their states. It was a good system when invented, it is obsolete now. Probably the biggest travesty of our system is the Senate. Five million under-educated, brainwashed, fascist talibangelicals get the same representation in the Senate as do 39 million secular Californians. Each state gets two senators and so all the small Southern states have proportionally much more control of our political system than their numbers merit. The Senate is the main source of the bad things that come from the US - and that happen to us domestically.
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2016 15:25:35 GMT
Maybe now we are getting somewhere....? I am happy for everyone else on the forum to draw their own conclusions of the threads so far, but our debate is at an end.y,all.
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