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Post by Mr Stabby on Mar 12, 2018 20:22:58 GMT
Going back to the important subject of direct action I wonder if something which has a negative impact on cyclists and pedestrians might get some publicity? I don't mean harming anyone but something like organising a group of boaters to gate the towpath in certain areas and tell people it is closed. Seriously, what would that do? Do you really think they would immediately go home and write a letter to their MP opposing increases in licence fees for widebeam boats?
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Post by kris on Mar 12, 2018 20:25:54 GMT
Going back to the important subject of direct action I wonder if something which has a negative impact on cyclists and pedestrians might get some publicity? I don't mean harming anyone but something like organising a group of boaters to gate the towpath in certain areas and tell people it is closed. Seriously, what would that do? Do you really think they would immediately go home and write a letter to their MP opposing increases in licence fees for widebeam boats? whilst I agree with you about the suggested action. If you read the op I was suggesting that any action needs to be about the bigger issues not the widebeam surcharge alone.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2018 20:26:04 GMT
Going back to the important subject of direct action I wonder if something which has a negative impact on cyclists and pedestrians might get some publicity? I don't mean harming anyone but something like organising a group of boaters to gate the towpath in certain areas and tell people it is closed. Seriously, what would that do? Do you really think they would immediately go home and write a letter to their MP opposing increases in licence fees for widebeam boats? Kris referred earlier to protests about the general situation regarding CRT (selling the family silver and borrowing money). I thought this was about wide beams as well but reading what he wrote I realised it wasn't.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2018 20:30:24 GMT
If anything is going to be done it needs to be something which gets general public involved and starts a discussion about what the average man (or woman) on the towpath wants the canal to be.
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Post by kris on Mar 12, 2018 20:32:10 GMT
If anything is going to be done it needs to be something which gets general public involved and starts a discussion about what the average man (or woman) on the towpath wants the canal to be. very true, this why making the general public aware of what is going on with cart is important.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2018 20:41:48 GMT
The obvious problem is that its entirely possible the general public may be in favour of the theme park type arrangement with preserved working boats and tidy pleasure boats chugging around and no lived-on boats with junk on roof.
This seems to be where it is likely to go so its entirely possible that people are actually not bothered and as I said earlier the type of people who would protest would actually be doing themselves a disservice.
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Post by kris on Mar 12, 2018 20:49:27 GMT
What people do care about is something that we all own being sold off and run into the ground.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2018 20:57:00 GMT
You say that but its possible that if the system is brought to its knees then sold to the marina owners etc that could result in visible improvements from a visitor's point of view.
Its not really a national asset like rail for example, or telephone system or some other vital public owned body. Gas, water, electric etc.
I reckon the average man (or woman) on the towpath would not be remotely bothered whether it was publicly owned and if they were bothered they may be concerned it is a liability.
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Post by kris on Mar 12, 2018 21:05:19 GMT
That's exactly why you put the other point of view to the public and see what the reaction is. At the moment most people think it's all Rosey on the wayerways. Badicly because cart are good at pr, think about all of the TV programes that have happened recently.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2018 21:17:17 GMT
I haven't watched TV at all for about 15 years and before that I certainly didn't watch any waterways programs. As I understand it its quite a bad situation lately.
Its another example of dumbing down which seems to be pervasive in society. Sadly.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2018 21:24:59 GMT
It was an example. The ammount of coverage you will get is directly proportional to the numbers affected. Shackle yourcself to Whitley lock if you wish but that will barely get a mention, maybe towpath talk may show up. no the amount of coverage doesn't depend on how many people it effects. You clearly have no idea about direct action. Your last statement is some febnle attempt at humour so I won't even bother replying to it. Well I do have experience, having been on the recieving end of angry French farmers a couple of times, but you bat on kris you clearly consider yourself some sort of 'expert'. And you are still wrong.
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Post by kris on Mar 12, 2018 21:27:27 GMT
Can't resist the last little trolling comment can you Martin?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2018 21:34:42 GMT
Can't resist the last little trolling comment can you Martin? I'm simply disagreeing with you because I think you are wrong. If you consider that trolling you need to bone up on the definition. You are wrong because if any direct action only impacts on a few people or non at all it will be a complete waste of time, and wil not attract any attention at all meaning it will change naff all as CRT will just dismiss it as meaningless. (So far Stabby has actually come up with the best suggestion btw.)
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Post by kris on Mar 12, 2018 21:46:31 GMT
Yes opinions are like arse holes everybody has one.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2018 21:56:58 GMT
Yes opinions are like arse holes everybody has one. Which doesn't change the fact you are wrong, I'm afraid.
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