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Post by kris on Mar 13, 2018 8:20:02 GMT
Sorry this is in reply to jenlyns post.
Yes there's a lot of this ostrich mentality in English society. It's a pity because this could be a really good country, but the general apathy means the people will keep allowing themselves to being shat on.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2018 8:23:29 GMT
No idea, however that is the impact if you take direct action. There are consequences, if you don't want consequences then direct action is not really an option. Direct action could also have been given by all those passengers wanting to go somewhere by train, and dragging the protesters off the tracks. Did you spot the snowflake girl on the left taking a selfie of herself? And why didn't that rabble get themselves down to the Turkish Embassy in London if they want to do something positive? Making people miss their planes at Manchester Airport isn't going to help their cause (whatever that is, no-one really seems interested). You clearly miss the point of taking direct action. Standing outside an embassy is just a 'protest'. That is not the same thing.
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Post by kris on Mar 13, 2018 8:24:39 GMT
Yes this better the devil you know saying , is your favourite you keep wheeling it out when talking about cart. I'm beginning to think you really are an agent provocateur, how much do cart pay you. Although I agree with a lot of what you say, I can also see the objections ....... remember BW were the devil we knew ...... and we got CaRT instead I know what your saying John, but what's the alternative? Just sit back and let this shower rip the network to pieces?
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Post by kris on Mar 13, 2018 8:26:56 GMT
Direct action could also have been given by all those passengers wanting to go somewhere by train, and dragging the protesters off the tracks. Did you spot the snowflake girl on the left taking a selfie of herself? And why didn't that rabble get themselves down to the Turkish Embassy in London if they want to do something positive? Making people miss their planes at Manchester Airport isn't going to help their cause (whatever that is, no-one really seems interested). You clearly miss the point of taking direct action. Standing outside an embassy is just a 'protest'. That is not the same thing. No your wrong direct action takes many forms and protesting outside the Turkish embassy would be considered direct action. Obviously they decided stopping trains would be more dramatic and get more attention.
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Post by JohnV on Mar 13, 2018 8:27:44 GMT
Although I agree with a lot of what you say, I can also see the objections ....... remember BW were the devil we knew ...... and we got CaRT instead I know what your saying John, but what's the alternative? Just sit back and let this shower rip the network to pieces? Kris, I don't know what the alternatives are, I just feel caution is needed to ensure nothing is done that is counterproductive
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Post by kris on Mar 13, 2018 8:29:07 GMT
I know what your saying John, but what's the alternative? Just sit back and let this shower rip the network to pieces? Kris, I don't know what the alternatives are, I just feel caution is needed to ensure nothing is done that is counterproductive Yes I understand your caution.
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Post by naughtyfox on Mar 13, 2018 8:29:24 GMT
What people do care about is something that we all own being sold off and run into the ground. No they don't. As à la British Airways, British Gas, British Telecom, British Railways. Most people care about getting in quick and making a quick buck (ie. stealing other peoples' money). How many here have bought the council house they were living in when the option to stop paying rent for it and buying it turned up? Lots of people saying "I paid 2,000 but now it's worth 150,000!" I'd say most people see possessing a boat as a hobby for the wealthy. Now, having a boat ourselves, I do understand that boats are primary/only homes for many people. But when I see expensively-painted boats on the waterways, mooring fees, licence fees, boatyard/craning/BSS/hull survey fees, it's clear that boating isn't for the very poor. 99% of the population of Britain have no idea where the canals even go.
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Post by kris on Mar 13, 2018 8:32:31 GMT
So that's it then we may as well,all give up and kill ourselves?
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Post by naughtyfox on Mar 13, 2018 8:34:06 GMT
Direct action could also have been given by all those passengers wanting to go somewhere by train, and dragging the protesters off the tracks. Did you spot the snowflake girl on the left taking a selfie of herself? And why didn't that rabble get themselves down to the Turkish Embassy in London if they want to do something positive? Making people miss their planes at Manchester Airport isn't going to help their cause (whatever that is, no-one really seems interested). You clearly miss the point of taking direct action. Standing outside an embassy is just a 'protest'. That is not the same thing. Well, storm the embassy or something. Turks bombing Kurds (?) has very little to do with the operation of Manchester Piccadilly railway station. Go and have a good old moan at the Turks, then. I should be a bit angry if a selfie-taking snowflake from University, for which Mummeh and Daddeh are paying, made me miss my plane.
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Post by naughtyfox on Mar 13, 2018 8:38:47 GMT
no the amount of coverage doesn't depend on how many people it effects. You clearly have no idea about direct action. Your last statement is some febnle attempt at humour so I won't even bother replying to it. Well I do have experience, having been on the recieving end of angry French farmers a couple of times So, they don't like you over there, either?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2018 8:39:37 GMT
So that's it then we may as well,all give up and kill ourselves? Be patient. The jigsaw is slowly coming together. CRT is slowly getting to a point where the rope will be around its neck, we will have little to do other than watch a few of them hang themselves.
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Post by kris on Mar 13, 2018 8:42:27 GMT
So that's it then we may as well,all give up and kill ourselves? Be patient. The jigsaw is slowly coming together. CRT is slowly getting to a point where the rope will be around its neck, we will have little to do other than watch a few of them hang themselves. Yes it was a facetious comment to foxy really, I'm not going anywhere I'm going to enjoy watching crt Implode.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2018 8:42:44 GMT
Well I do have experience, having been on the recieving end of angry French farmers a couple of times So, they don't like you over there, either? I don't believe it was specifically targeted at a single individual no.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2018 8:45:39 GMT
You clearly miss the point of taking direct action. Standing outside an embassy is just a 'protest'. That is not the same thing. No your wrong direct action takes many forms and protesting outside the Turkish embassy would be considered direct action. Obviously they decided stopping trains would be more dramatic and get more attention. Well I suppose it depends on how effective you want your 'direct action' to be, as in impact and hoped for outcome. I bit of peaceful placard waving outside Fearns Wharf is hardly going to draw much attention.
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Post by JohnV on Mar 13, 2018 8:46:17 GMT
What people do care about is something that we all own being sold off and run into the ground. How many here have bought the council house they were living in when the option to stop paying rent for it and buying it turned up? Lots of people saying "I paid 2,000 but now it's worth 150,000!" That is unfair ...... as a family we bought the rented house (private landlord, protected tenants) my parents had been renting since 1944. Because of the protected tenancy agreement we bought it at the sort of price some people were offered their council houses for. When eventually, after the deaths of both my parents, the house was sold it went for some 25 times the value that was paid for it. The "profit" was not something that even came vaguely into the reasons for purchase. My parents were born in the early years of the 20th century, were children through the first war, young adults during the depression ..... and they were from the northeast and new the worst of it. They migrated south to find work in the thirties and moved to Essex in the 40's. For them to own their own home , to be able to do what ever modifications and alterations they wished, was something they had never thought was possible. Profit ? you insult them and many like them.
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