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Post by naughtyfox on Apr 12, 2018 14:28:39 GMT
I've been wondering if we should get one of these. I'm guessing it would go between our fuel tank and the engine fuel filter, as an extra filter. Does anyone here have a Fuel-Guard filter like this, or know if they are any good? www.fuel-guard.co.uk/ |
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Post by Gone on Apr 12, 2018 16:21:05 GMT
I don't have one. My thoughts are that if the fuel tank is clean and you get fuel from places that sell a decent amount so their fuel is 'fresh' and you don't leave the same fuel in your tank for months on end, then there wont much if anything to filter out.
It is the sort of thing that is a complete waste of money until the day you need it..................
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Post by Telemachus on Apr 12, 2018 16:41:15 GMT
I think it is worth having some sort of agglomerator before the main filter, just to extract any water and large debris before it can clog the fine paper filter. I'm not sure if the product you mention is just a fancy version of that, or whether it does anything else.
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Post by TonyDunkley on Apr 12, 2018 18:04:23 GMT
Just to be clear about what all the kit in the video clip is, and what it does, it looks to me as if it's not so much as an advert for an in-line filter/water separator to be installed in the tank to engine fuel line, but more like that they're trying to flog a kit of built-in fuel, and tank, cleaning tackle to remove muck and water from the tank and the fuel it contains. As such, I would say that it's well worth having, but I wouldn't buy one of these, . . . I would simply make up and install one with a proprietary electric fuel pump, a proprietary water trap and a CAV type (now sold as 'Delphi') filter fitted with a washable element.
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Post by pearley on Apr 12, 2018 18:15:39 GMT
No Tony, if was originally sold as an in-line filter. The ability to turn it into a fuel cleaning device was added about 18 months ago but only if you buy direct. No if you buy from Midland Chandlers like me. We had a Wasp water separator originally fitted but such an arse to check if so replaced it with a Fuel Guard. Now I only need to look at it rather than take the Wasp apart.
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Post by JohnV on Apr 12, 2018 18:50:55 GMT
Just to be clear about what all the kit in the video clip is, and what it does, it looks to me as if it's not so much as an advert for an in-line filter/water separator to be installed in the tank to engine fuel line, but more like that they're trying to flog a kit of built-in fuel, and tank, cleaning tackle to remove muck and water from the tank and the fuel it contains. As such, I would say that it's well worth having, but I wouldn't buy one of these, . . . I would simply make up and install one with a proprietary electric fuel pump, a proprietary water trap and a CAV type (now sold as 'Delphi') filter fitted with a washable element. ^^^^ this !!! I have a Racor filter and a pump..... I bought it after my problems with the bug to clean up the rather large quantity of contaminated diesel I have in drums on deck. I have not been doing it very much as I have had other things on the go but I tried it out and successfully polished about 40 litres so far. When I have cleaned up as much as possible of the diesel in drums the plan is to install it in the engine room as a permanent fuel polishing system, recirculating the fuel from the main tank. |
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Post by peterboat on Apr 13, 2018 7:55:38 GMT
I bought the first marine one Ross and it works!! I clean mine a couple of times a year, easy stuff just wash it in soapy water.
I would fit another in any boat I bought its so easy to check as I a wind the stern greaser its in eyeline, so I know if I have a problem.
The company make these for plant equipment as well I have seen one fitted on a compressor same there it works and works very well
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Post by phil70 on Apr 13, 2018 8:40:23 GMT
I don't have one. My thoughts are that if the fuel tank is clean and you get fuel from places that sell a decent amount so their fuel is 'fresh' and you don't leave the same fuel in your tank for months on end, then there wont much if anything to filter out. It is the sort of thing that is a complete waste of money until the day you need it.................. A bit like insurance Phil |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2018 12:57:34 GMT
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Post by peterboat on Apr 28, 2018 13:13:41 GMT
I am firmly in the fuel guard camp Gazza i can see if I have a problem coming the solid one you cant
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2018 13:55:11 GMT
I am firmly in the fuel guard camp Gazza i can see if I have a problem coming the solid one you cant It's an expensive luxury, I change the filter annual along with draining and checking the sedimentor at the same time. The engine mounted fuel filter I do biannually. We are lucky in having one reliable source of fuel, I seldom buy riverside, and if I do its from Alan on fuel boat Bletchley, who also keeps his fuel clean. That's not to say we haven't had a dose of grotty fuel where a fuel guard would have made it easy to see. Overall though, a good set up need not be expensive. www.asap-supplies.com/parker-racor-771000ma-triple-diesel-fuel-filterOuch! |
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Post by JohnV on Apr 28, 2018 15:02:54 GMT
that's a bloomin high flow rate system though !!! I have a racor 500 series filter as a pre filter in the engine supply and I have also a second one (not yet installed) to be used as a permanently installed polishing system (with 2 micron filter) re-circulating from the bottom of the tank returning to the top. on the other hand I worked out how much it cost me in replacement fuel plus time in horrifically expensive posh marinas last year  |
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Post by JohnV on Apr 28, 2018 15:06:14 GMT
that's a bloomin high flow rate system though !!! I have a racor 500 series filter as a pre filter in the engine supply and I have also a second one (not yet installed) to be used as a permanently installed polishing system (with 2 micron filter) re-circulating from the bottom of the tank returning to the top. on the other hand I worked out how much it cost me in replacement fuel plus time in horrifically expensive posh marinas last year <iframe width="24.839999999999918" height="4.900000000000006" style="position: absolute; width: 24.839999999999918px; height: 4.900000000000006px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none;left: 15px; top: -5px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_30613560" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="24.839999999999918" height="4.900000000000006" style="position: absolute; width: 24.84px; height: 4.9px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 1181px; top: -5px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_14612242" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="24.839999999999918" height="4.900000000000006" style="position: absolute; width: 24.84px; height: 4.9px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 15px; top: 184px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_98620451" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="24.839999999999918" height="4.900000000000006" style="position: absolute; width: 24.84px; height: 4.9px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 1181px; top: 184px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_64123228" scrolling="no"></iframe> ps I also stick biocide in t each fill as well ...... it's all peanuts compared with the cost when it goes wrong |
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Post by naughtyfox on Apr 28, 2018 15:50:53 GMT
Can you explain? I saw a video/info from the 'Net where someone/people said the CAV pre-filters are a nuisance to play with, screw-in Racors are better designed. I have a Racor model in mind but in anyways I shall need someone to attach it and make a support - I'm hoping Shire Cruisers where we're based can spare a man to have a go - or there's a car service/repair garage next to us so maybe they have a man. I suppose my first step is to buy one and have it shipped to the boat. We have managed without a pre-filter, and when the old fuel filter came out last July in Goole it had been there for 2 years and didn't, to me, look particularly dirty. But, I like the idea of having a pre-filter. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2018 16:02:45 GMT
Can you explain? I saw a video/info from the 'Net where someone/people said the CAV pre-filters are a nuisance to play with, screw-in Racors are better designed. I have a Racor model in mind but in anyways I shall need someone to attach it and make a support - I'm hoping Shire Cruisers where we're based can spare a man to have a go - or there's a car service/repair garage next to us so maybe they have a man. I suppose my first step is to buy one and have it shipped to the boat. We have managed without a pre-filter, and when the old fuel filter came out last July in Goole it had been there for 2 years and didn't, to me, look particularly dirty. But, I like the idea of having a pre-filter. There are 2 seals and 2 o rings to replace on a 296 filter head, they are a piece of cake. The secret is to hold the upper seal in place with a few blobs of grease, not difficult at all. Those that struggle with them shouldn't be fiddling around with them in the first place  Add to that a quality filter element can be had for less than £2 a piece means they still are a viable filter to fit. Spin on is cleaner, quicker and has the bonus of pre filling the filter to save a bit of hassle bleeding. I fitted a spin on filter head for mouse on his perky, it will make life easier for him should he need to change a filter in my absence. Access wasn't great for a 296 filter so in that application it made sense to change it. Wallet size and talent may dictate what you fit |
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