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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2018 14:04:45 GMT
CRT wrote to me to say the mooring is going up by 30% in the next 3 years (zone 2 London residential mooring 22x4m) £9k now £12k after three year. They state market forces (fair enough as auctions have achieved these prices I don't really disagree with it) but more interesting is that a charity is not allowed to confer a private benefit so they are not authorised to sell a mooring below market rate.
I don't give a shit about the increases will not be here anyway but I wonder how the private benefit thing works with people living on towpath moorings? They get the advantage of incredibly cheap living costs which is due to the legal framework CRT operate under.
Just seems interesting to me as I would have thought that subsidised housing (which is what towpath mooring is in many areas) would directly contravene charity law in the same way that residential moorings let below market rate would.
All a bit odd or are people on resi moorings just idiot cash cows ?
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Post by cygnus on Apr 26, 2018 14:59:49 GMT
CRT wrote to me to say the mooring is going up by 30% in the next 3 years (zone 2 London residential mooring 22x4m) £9k now £12k after three year. They state market forces (fair enough as auctions have achieved these prices I don't really disagree with it) but more interesting is that a charity is not allowed to confer a private benefit so they are not authorised to sell a mooring below market rate. I don't give a shit about the increases will not be here anyway but I wonder how the private benefit thing works with people living on towpath moorings? They get the advantage of incredibly cheap living costs which is due to the legal framework CRT operate under. Just seems interesting to me as I would have thought that subsidised housing (which is what towpath mooring is in many areas) would directly contravene charity law in the same way that residential moorings let below market rate would. All a bit odd or are people on resi moorings just idiot cash cows ? Will it mean that boats being hit by these massive rises will end up on the canals in already congested areas, and also without a home mooring ? |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2018 15:36:07 GMT
It does seem to be possible. Not in my case as MI5 have relocated me to Monaco so I'm going to have to go over and take the mothballs out of my Benetti yacht.
I'm just intrigued by all the CRT shit going on lately - hitting people who are happy to pay and ignoring those who are attempting to minimise their costs by doing the 14 day thing. I can understand minimising costs and I agree with it but I do wonder when CRT will catch up with things and work it out.
Its not rocket science !
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Post by naughtyfox on Apr 26, 2018 15:40:37 GMT
...suddenly a mini-exodus of boats leaving Goole, obviously those who have "been minimising their costs".
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Post by kris on Apr 27, 2018 8:21:24 GMT
CRT wrote to me to say the mooring is going up by 30% in the next 3 years (zone 2 London residential mooring 22x4m) £9k now £12k after three year. They state market forces (fair enough as auctions have achieved these prices I don't really disagree with it) but more interesting is that a charity is not allowed to confer a private benefit so they are not authorised to sell a mooring below market rate. I don't give a shit about the increases will not be here anyway but I wonder how the private benefit thing works with people living on towpath moorings? They get the advantage of incredibly cheap living costs which is due to the legal framework CRT operate under. Just seems interesting to me as I would have thought that subsidised housing (which is what towpath mooring is in many areas) would directly contravene charity law in the same way that residential moorings let below market rate would. All a bit odd or are people on resi moorings just idiot cash cows ? Is this 30% including the widebeam surcharge? Oh well it looks like it's time for you to move to France. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2018 8:40:25 GMT
No its just a market rate for the berth which is 22x4m. I don't think they add the widebeam bit to the mooring I think that's just for what are usually known as "licenses". I know there are more technical terms but I keep forgetting them !! Not France I don't think - its full of French people  £12k is too much for this particular mooring to be honest it is hemmed in on all sides by urban canyon effect and still more building works going on. Not pleasant at all and becoming very sterile and characteress so combined with the lack of maintenance to the mooring itself and an increase in fees its time to feck off ! Intrigued to see the start price on a neighbours mooring when it goes to auction in august ! Once we go that will be all 3 of the relatively long term (5 years+) occupiers leaving within a year of each other. And all three moorings will become available on auction (unless CRT choose to have a fixed price which I think is their right). |
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Post by bargemast on Apr 27, 2018 9:03:40 GMT
No its just a market rate for the berth which is 22x4m. I don't think they add the widebeam bit to the mooring I think that's just for what are usually known as "licenses". I know there are more technical terms but I keep forgetting them !! Not France I don't think - its full of French people
£12k is too much for this particular mooring to be honest it is hemmed in on all sides by urban canyon effect and still more building works going on. Not pleasant at all and becoming very sterile and characteress so combined with the lack of maintenance to the mooring itself and an increase in fees its time to feck off ! Intrigued to see the start price on a neighbours mooring when it goes to auction in august ! Once we go that will be all 3 of the relatively long term (5 years+) occupiers leaving within a year of each other. And all three moorings will become available on auction (unless CRT choose to have a fixed price which I think is their right). This is something that I did discover very naïvely a bit too late to still make a change. In the very near futur there may still be quite a few French people, but the country is filling up rapidly with people that used to live on the other side of the Mediterranean Sea. If you change your mind and come this way anyway, it may be a good thing to invest some money in a prayer mat, as they will surely become obligatory within not too long, and charity law will be replaced with "Sharia Law". Peter. |
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Post by bargemast on Apr 27, 2018 10:18:30 GMT
Forgotten to say that if you do come to France anyway, then take my advise, if you dress up like "Loretta", don't wear your mini-skirt, as that is the same as wearing huge signs that say :"Please rape me!" (on your prayer-mat).
Peter.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2018 10:39:14 GMT
Englandland is getting to be the same. Maybe the answer is a sloop  |
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Post by naughtyfox on Apr 27, 2018 10:55:17 GMT
No its just a market rate for the berth which is 22x4m. I don't think they add the widebeam bit to the mooring I think that's just for what are usually known as "licenses". I know there are more technical terms but I keep forgetting them !! Not France I don't think - its full of French people
£12k is too much for this particular mooring to be honest it is hemmed in on all sides by urban canyon effect and still more building works going on. Not pleasant at all and becoming very sterile and characteress so combined with the lack of maintenance to the mooring itself and an increase in fees its time to feck off ! Intrigued to see the start price on a neighbours mooring when it goes to auction in august ! Once we go that will be all 3 of the relatively long term (5 years+) occupiers leaving within a year of each other. And all three moorings will become available on auction (unless CRT choose to have a fixed price which I think is their right). the country is filling up rapidly with people that used to live on the other side of the Mediterranean Sea. Stupid French Get What They Order? |
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Post by naughtyfox on Apr 27, 2018 10:59:38 GMT
Get yerself one of them 'Rivers Only Licences' and turn left at Spurn Head for Goole! |
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Post by bargemast on Apr 27, 2018 11:21:35 GMT
Englandland is getting to be the same. Maybe the answer is a sloop The answer is "Blowin in the wind" Peter. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2018 14:02:26 GMT
One of my favourites artists.
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Post by NigelMoore on Apr 27, 2018 16:07:37 GMT
. . . more interesting is that a charity is not allowed to confer a private benefit so they are not authorised to sell a mooring below market rate. The curious thing is that, as the ex head of legal Nigel Johnson once explained, because they were not allowed to confer private benefits [as in towpath moorings], this meant that they could charge what they liked for conferring them! It is my failure to comprehend the logical sequence in such argument that has convinced me I would never make a lawyer. |
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Post by IainS on Apr 29, 2018 18:54:21 GMT
Scottish Canals came up with a similar argument to justify the cost of moorings in Edinburgh, quoting the Transport Act 1968, Sec. 134 as justification.
As far as I can see, that argument is a non runner, as Sec. 134 refers to permitted subsidiary activities, for example, the Rail authority running hotels, or a passenger transport authority running a garage. It does not refer to the core activities of the various Boards, and moorings are part of navigation.
As far as "private benefit" goes, if one mooring is charged a lot less than its neighbour, that could be a private benefit to the occupier, but there is no private benefit if all the moorings in the area are roughly the same price.
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