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Post by naughtyfox on May 15, 2018 17:59:52 GMT
I know I brought this up recently but will ask this now, as it's time to buy or abort the idea. I thought this Racor pre-filter might be best for us, the 120R-RAC-01. It has a glass bowl. The 120R-RAC-02 has a metal bowl. I'm wondering if I can buy the -01 as it is, and buy an -02 metal bowl for when the BSS man comes along... I'm guessing both bowls fit both the -01 and -02 (?). Or should I just get the -02 with the metal bowl, as the bowl on its own may not be available, and I don't really need to look at the diesel, the fact that it's flowing through an extra filter should be good enough for peace of mind... 120R-RAC-01 120R-RAC-02
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2018 18:09:49 GMT
If the pocket's are deep enough get both bowls - racor parts are easy to come by. No argument at BSS time. The filters I have at work for that filter head and possibly your standard Bukh fitment will offset the cost of the extra bowl.
The BSS is utter bollocks where this is concerned.
Don't get me started on leak off rails and 7840 hose 😫🔨🔨🔨
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Post by naughtyfox on May 15, 2018 18:27:58 GMT
So it's relatively easy for a mechanic (not me!) to cut the diesel pipe and somehow stick both ends into the pre-filter? I'm guessing the pre-filter will be needing attaching to some kind of holder which itself will have to be (?) welded to the side of the boat. I can't see it just hanging there off the pipe. Have sent an e-mail to our boatyard asking if a mechanic can do this...
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2018 18:39:56 GMT
If the pocket's are deep enough get both bowls - racor parts are easy to come by. No argument at BSS time. The filters I have at work for that filter head and possibly your standard Bukh fitment will offset the cost of the extra bowl. The BSS is utter bollocks where this is concerned. Don't get me started on leak off rails and 7840 hose 😫🔨🔨🔨 Its not called the BS scheme for nothing
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Post by mouse on May 15, 2018 19:01:29 GMT
BSS, expensive sledge hammer being used to crack small nuts. Go to any talk promoting the BSS, they show pictures of boats on fire, usually a petrol boat after refuelling. People need educating as common sense is not now very common. New small boats must have a gas bottle in a dedicated vented overboard locker. Old boats can carry on with a bottle on a carrier on the stern. I could go on but wont.
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2018 19:42:26 GMT
So it's relatively easy for a mechanic (not me!) to cut the diesel pipe and somehow stick both ends into the pre-filter? I'm guessing the pre-filter will be needing attaching to some kind of holder which itself will have to be (?) welded to the side of the boat. I can't see it just hanging there off the pipe. Have sent an e-mail to our boatyard asking if a mechanic can do this... Yes, any competent person familiar with the vagaries of the BSS scheme and half an idea of how to make a bracket and what a spanner is for should make short work of it. Don't get rinsed for the cost of fitting it. Straightforward cheap job.
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2018 20:08:42 GMT
BSS, expensive sledge hammer being used to crack small nuts. Go to any talk promoting the BSS, they show pictures of boats on fire, usually a petrol boat after refuelling. People need educating as common sense is not now very common. New small boats must have a gas bottle in a dedicated vented overboard locker. Old boats can carry on with a bottle on a carrier on the stern. I could go on but wont. I wonder how the statistics compare for fires/deaths caused by the following:- Gas. Petrol. Diesel. Solid fuel stoves. My gut says solid fuel outweighs the other three quite heavily, yet the BSS and RCD do not insist on Part J of the building regulations as the bare minimum a boat installation should meet - the reason being a narrow boat could never meet the minimum free space criteria as they are too narrow! There is a guide of good practice, yet many installation are shit, many are maintained poorly with no BSS requirement for a minimum of a CO alarm to be fitted when a solid fuel stove is present. Fat lot of good the BSS fire extinguisher requirement will do for someone asphyxiated on CO! All the while the focus is on the bollocks about clear bowls, 7840 hose rigid spill rails etc etc.
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Post by Mr Stabby on May 15, 2018 20:19:40 GMT
My tuppence worth Foxy...
I get the impression that you are somewhat paranoid about fuel cleanliness. Your boat is what, 25 or 30 years old now? If it doesn't have a history of fuel problems then the fuel filtering system fitted by the boat builder is probably more than sufficient.
How often do Finnish buses shudder to a halt by the side of the road because the fuel filters are blocked?
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2018 20:27:13 GMT
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Post by naughtyfox on May 16, 2018 7:31:11 GMT
BSS, expensive sledge hammer being used to crack small nuts. Go to any talk promoting the BSS, they show pictures of boats on fire, usually a petrol boat after refuelling. People need educating as common sense is not now very common. New small boats must have a gas bottle in a dedicated vented overboard locker. Old boats can carry on with a bottle on a carrier on the stern. I could go on but wont. with no BSS requirement for a minimum of a CO alarm to be fitted when a solid fuel stove is present. How weird is that? Yet they measure the size of the vents and claim you should have new vents here, there and everywhere else, despite the fact that Hurricane Katrina is blowing through our doors and windows! Then there's that hire boat company on the Brecon Canal who show on their videos all the shit they have in their gas locker, mooring pins, spare ropes, etc. - yet when I comment on their Youtube video that this is against BSS requirements, my comment gets deleted. Tosspots.
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Post by naughtyfox on May 16, 2018 7:45:46 GMT
I get the impression that you are somewhat paranoid about fuel cleanliness. Not really - the fuel filter we had removed last July/Aug had been in there for 2 years. I just fancy the idea of a pre-filter, that's all. I've said before, my method for more 'fun' is to attach the electric drill to a pump and run a hose down to the bottom of the fuel tank (this pipe taped to a straight plastic stick) and occasionally suck up around 20 litres of whatever is down there and pump it into transparent 5-litre water containers. Let it settle and examine. Pour maybe the top 90% back into the fuel tank via a filter in a funnel. We are a bit fussy about tidyness and cleanliness. We try to keep our boat in order in case any visitors happen to drop by.
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2018 11:51:52 GMT
with no BSS requirement for a minimum of a CO alarm to be fitted when a solid fuel stove is present. How weird is that? Yet they measure the size of the vents and claim you should have new vents here, there and everywhere else, despite the fact that Hurricane Katrina is blowing through our doors and windows! Then there's that hire boat company on the Brecon Canal who show on their videos all the shit they have in their gas locker, mooring pins, spare ropes, etc. - yet when I comment on their Youtube video that this is against BSS requirements, my comment gets deleted. Tosspots. Don't forget, the ventilation requirements are advisory......
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Post by naughtyfox on May 16, 2018 15:37:39 GMT
At work the other two drivers asked isn't it too much strain for the fuel pump, to have another filter through which to suck the diesel? Thoughts on this? One said leave it to the people who designed the engine, if they think one filter is good enough, leave it at that. The lift pump in these Bukhs has some kind of nylon mesh filter - the people who renovated our engine removed ours and threw it in the bin, and apparently this is what Bukh themselves advise owners of these engines to do. Why, I have no idea. I wonder if that yellow clogged-up filter is the one they thre away... goo.gl/photos/unyasUG6B9MGWaJQ6
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2018 17:15:02 GMT
getting the water out is as important as getting the lumps out. I would imagine your fuel system has a good head from the fuel tank. You can never have too good or much filtration - particularly if you use many different fuel suppliers, some of which may not look after their fuel stock as well as they should. There are loads of options, at the very least you should have one of these, www.ssldieselparts.co.uk/aluminium-sedimenter-glass-sfas4-p-541.html there is no extra filter if that is worrying you. Google how a sedimentor/agglomerator works to get the idea of why you should have one.
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Post by naughtyfox on May 16, 2018 17:51:13 GMT
Having received an e-mail I think I shall go for the 120R-RAC-02 (Racor with metal bowl). Received another e-mail about our engine coolant... which raises some confusion... hopefully to be solved by a telephone call tomorrow. Sometimes I wonder if I am stupid - at other times I know it's not me but the other people! Looking forwards to Saturday 9th June when our propeller should be turning and pushing us to our new adventures.
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