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Post by tadworth on Jun 22, 2016 11:05:35 GMT
I renewed a licence over the phone on Monday, ( not Tadworth) and when asked if I agree'd to the terms and conditions I said "no thanks", the customer service drone launched into a script he was reading off his screen about how the T & C 's were " the law" and I have to agree to them or no licence, he just changed his wording to "do you agree to this licence" and I suspect ticked the box any way, being in enough trouble already I don't have time to piss about with this, so I left it there.
I would reccomend anyone who is renewing a licence to refuse to agree to the T & C ,s, and see what happens. This is something that needs to be sorted out at some point, because I think CRT's unofficial policy is now to only ever refer to the T & C's document and push the actual law to the background, in an attempt to reinforce the presumption with boaters that it is a legally binding document. CRT cannot change the law, but they can invent any condition they want, which is obviously a very dangerous road to go down, which will end in tears in court for CRT.
( if you didn't know, licences are issued under statutory conditions, and no contract changes that )
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Post by loafer on Jun 22, 2016 11:26:13 GMT
I have never been asked if I agree to the T&Cs, and I only renewed mine a couple of weeks ago.
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Post by Telemachus on Jun 22, 2016 12:41:31 GMT
I have never been asked if I agree to the T&Cs, and I only renewed mine a couple of weeks ago. Did you renew online, over the phone, or by post?
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Post by loafer on Jun 22, 2016 15:40:22 GMT
Over the phone, after a failed attempt to do it online (crap internet that day). Most charming girl on the phone.
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Post by tadworth on Jun 22, 2016 18:49:17 GMT
Even if you have or have not been asked, email them stating that you do not agree. The T&C's only exists because no one challenges it, after all there is no crime in not agreeing to a contract, its entirely up to you. If CRT imply they will revoke your licence you have them by the balls !
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Post by Telemachus on Jun 22, 2016 19:26:04 GMT
Even if you have or have not been asked, email them stating that you do not agree. The T&C's only exists because no one challenges it, after all there is no crime in not agreeing to a contract, its entirely up to you. If CRT imply they will revoke your licence you have them by the balls ! Or of course one might be quite happy to agree to the Ts and Cs since, if you are a proper boater, they are only a good thing.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2016 19:46:04 GMT
Even if you have or have not been asked, email them stating that you do not agree. The T&C's only exists because no one challenges it, after all there is no crime in not agreeing to a contract, its entirely up to you. If CRT imply they will revoke your licence you have them by the balls ! Or of course one might be quite happy to agree to the Ts and Cs since, if you are a proper boater, they are only a good thing. There is nothing in the T&C's that imply whether someone is a proper boater or not. That's a really silly remark. And I am certain that if you came back to your boat one day, and some plank had breasted up on you, resulting in a crt prick with hobnails clambering over your boat, you would be a bit miffed.
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Post by Telemachus on Jun 22, 2016 20:24:07 GMT
Or of course one might be quite happy to agree to the Ts and Cs since, if you are a proper boater, they are only a good thing. There is nothing in the T&C's that imply whether someone is a good boater or not. That's a really silly remark. And I am certain that if you came back to your boat one day, and some plank had breasted up on you, resulting in a crt prick with hobnails clambering over your boat, you would be a bit miffed. "Good boater" - that is your phrase not mine. "Boat prick" to you. Well if you can pick 2 disconnected words out of my post, I can do the same to you. If someone breasted up to me and someone wanted to walk across that would be fine - if we were there. If we weren't there how would we know?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2016 20:27:43 GMT
There is nothing in the T&C's that imply whether someone is a good boater or not. That's a really silly remark. And I am certain that if you came back to your boat one day, and some plank had breasted up on you, resulting in a crt prick with hobnails clambering over your boat, you would be a bit miffed. If someone breasted up to me and someone wanted to walk across that would be fine - if we were there. If we weren't there how would we know? Read my post again. (i thought you we're supposed to be clever, or are you having a specsavers moment?)
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Post by Telemachus on Jun 22, 2016 20:33:19 GMT
If someone breasted up to me and someone wanted to walk across that would be fine - if we were there. If we weren't there how would we know? Read my post again. (i thought you we're supposed to be clever, or are you having a specsavers moment?) Nope, I still don't see what you are getting at. Maybe a hallucination? But anyway let's say the rule was that CRT patrollers were not allowed to cross a boat to another one breasted up. The consequence of that, especially in high density places like London and its ilk, would be that all the outside boats would be unlicenced. They would have a kitty where they all shared in the cost of the inside boat's licence. So 1/2 or 2/3rds of boats wouldn't be licenced. It is just not a tenable concept.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2016 20:37:54 GMT
Read my post again. (i thought you we're supposed to be clever, or are you having a specsavers moment?) Nope, I still don't see what you are getting at. Maybe a hallucination? But anyway let's say the rule was that CRT patrollers were not allowed to cross a boat to another one breasted up. The consequence of that, especially in high density places like London and its ilk, would be that all the outside boats would be unlicenced. They would have a kitty where they all shared in the cost of the inside boat's licence. So 1/2 or 2/3rds of boats wouldn't be licenced. It is just not a tenable concept. Don't talk crap. Not everyone is as miserly as yourself.
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Post by Telemachus on Jun 22, 2016 20:46:04 GMT
Nope, I still don't see what you are getting at. Maybe a hallucination? But anyway let's say the rule was that CRT patrollers were not allowed to cross a boat to another one breasted up. The consequence of that, especially in high density places like London and its ilk, would be that all the outside boats would be unlicenced. They would have a kitty where they all shared in the cost of the inside boat's licence. So 1/2 or 2/3rds of boats wouldn't be licenced. It is just not a tenable concept. Don't talk crap. Not everyone is as miserly as yourself. Oh yes they are.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2016 21:05:40 GMT
Don't talk crap. Not everyone is as miserly as yourself. Oh yes they are. Your doing a good job (and getting away with) antagonizing the mods on cwdf. Concentrate on that if I were you. I've given you loads of greenies with my profiles, (and it's given me the opportunity to memorize all my passwords).
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Post by naughtyfox on Jun 22, 2016 21:17:37 GMT
You are always supposed to ask permission to step on someone else's boat. If no-one at home and you need to, do it with respect and cause no damage.
Anyone who boards our boat without the OK will be leaving minus their teeth.
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Post by Telemachus on Jun 22, 2016 21:18:31 GMT
Your doing a good job (and getting away with) antagonizing the mods on cwdf. Concentrate on that if I were you. I've given you loads of greenies with my profiles, (and it's given me the opportunity to memorize all my passwords). You are too kind. If only greenies were like green shield stamps and could be traded in for something useful like a 1/4 lb of tea or a nice storage jar. Anyway the point with the Ts and Cs is that there is no reason not to sign up to them if they provide no encumbrance to how we like to enjoy our boat. And when they contain some good stuff like not running gennys outwith 8-8 etc.
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