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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2018 20:20:32 GMT
You'll never stop surprising me Andrew, as you write "against my religion", and that while my failing memory seems to remember you hate religion, has something changed ?
There are plenty of pretty safe ways of dealing with holes in the bottom of a boat where water pick-up or drains are connected to, like our friend gazza wrote earlier on :
The same way you get canal water in to a raw water cooled engine....
The correct way is with a 3/4" seacock in the base plate.
www.asap-supplies.com/fittings-valves-strainers/valves-spares/seacock-valves
On a sewer tube on a canal you would get away with a socket welded to the hull side. Screen over the inlet, Valve, strainer then a non return valve after the strainer, job done. Its easier to clear a bag on the side than through the base plate. You'd want a guard iron/rubbing strake above it to protect the screen from getting walloped. I'd go for a socket over a skin fitting purely to avoid the risk of wiping out an underwater skin fitting
I'd go for a Blake's seacock by choice, they are the dogs dangles and will outlast you and me, ours 1 1/2" outlet is 52 years old and still going strong.
Using fresh water to flush the bog seems odd to me. a seacock needs a little maintenance and an eye keeping on it but not much else.
Of course in your case that would only be 1 hole for the flushing water that's aspirated through the vacuum that the Henderson MK5 that's normally delivered with the Lavac creates when you're pumping, if you're worried about block your flushing water inlet, you could use it after a mud-box.
I realise that I'm wasting my time telling you this, as for one, you surely knew all this already, and secondly, your more likely to go wrong system (e.a. if the float-switch gives up) has worked faultlesly for 4 years already.
One other surprise was to read that you're 4 on board, as I'd understood that the rest of your family lived ashore.
The only thing that's important is that you're happy with what you have, so I sincerely hope that you'll continue to be happy.
Peter.
MM either has an outboard motor on all his boats or he conveniently forgets the big hole the prop shaft goes through.... There's less to go wrong with a seacock compared to a shaft log and gland I disagree with your last sentence and I am interested that you think a sea cock in a steel hull is going to last 50 years. Even if its welded there will be a point at which corrosion becomes a problem. I know about boats having holes below the waterline but it is against my religion to add any myself unless strictly necessary. And you have to admit that if you are on a boat which is used residentially and has a fresh water tap and pumpout beside it (my current situation) the it is blatantly more logical to use fresh water for the toilet flush and as it is a sea toilet it is not safe or practical to put domestic water into it without a flush cistern of some sort. Works for me anyway I keep a spare solenoid valve and float switch in case of problems but it's been a good system and yes all family members still on the boat.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2018 20:49:19 GMT
But we get back to water being a prescious resource, flushing it down the toilet when you are floating on the stuff seems illogical to me. Thames Water has a similar scheme to Anglia Water love every drop. www.thameswater.co.uk/Be-water-smartWe have 6 below waterline through hulls servicing engine, bilge, and heads. Although this will drop to 5 when the exhaust (sadly) gets repositioned.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2018 21:12:50 GMT
I don't think the water is precious argument holds water (!) personally. My boat toilet (Lavac) uses massively less water than a domestic household type which is what the vast majority of people are using in their houses.
as I said before when I am out boating on any of my other boats I use cassette toilets (Thetford 265 and a Porta Potti 33).
If overboard discharge was allowed (which I think is the case for your boat) I would go for raw water in and waste out below waterline. Thats on my splitter but on my steel boats I would always prefer not to have extra holes in the bottom. Its a bit odd yes I agree but its my religion. In fact if I were to fit a pump out toilet to a boat with no mooring I would do the same but have a separate fresh waters tank to feed the toilet flush system. This tank could easily be topped up with canal or river water in a number of different ways including using a watering can.
Another thing to bear in mind about using a sea toilet for residential purposes is cleaning. Having canal water in there would make the thing quite unpleasant I suspect and any flush water inlet filter is going to need cleaning quite a lot with 4 people disposing of used food through the unit daily. Its bad enough having to use vinegar to clear the limescale generated from the fresh water flush arrangement. I'm not that bothered about cleaning being a dedicated soap dodger but some people are !
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2018 14:38:26 GMT
And to put a hole in the bottom of the boat you need to take the boat out of the water which is quite expensive and more importantly strictly forbidden by my religion unless there is a problem with the boat.
OK so you could probably do it afloat if push came to shove but it might get a bit messy and canal or river water is generally quite cold.
I can say in all honesty with my hand on my heart that the way I have done it is correct and the best solution in the circumstances. The best bit is not having another hole in the bottom of the boat.
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Post by bargemast on Jun 2, 2018 18:45:13 GMT
And to put a hole in the bottom of the boat you need to take the boat out of the water which is quite expensive and more importantly strictly forbidden by my religion unless there is a problem with the boat. OK so you could probably do it afloat if push came to shove but it might get a bit messy and canal or river water is generally quite cold. I can say in all honesty with my hand on my heart that the way I have done it is correct and the best solution in the circumstances. The best bit is not having another hole in the bottom of the boat. As far as I can see it, you seem to be almost obliged to opt for a (separating)composting loo, because of the limitations that your religion is imposing .
Peter.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2018 22:34:55 GMT
Going back to the OP a pertinent question would be have you had much experience in the past of shitting in a suitcase on a regular basis? Disposal easy. Just leave it at any airport / bus stop / taxi rank / suitcase shop. Or leave it in any street and giggle when someone furtively nicks it. I have a false 100 Euros note (looks genuine on one side only) and I am going to 'accidentally' drop it on the airport floor and we can have a laugh as we watch various jet-setters try to snaffle it and drop it again in disgust. Why don't you give it to someone claiming to be homeless.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2018 5:36:40 GMT
I meant the fake money.
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Post by bargemast on Jun 3, 2018 7:44:32 GMT
Your kindliness doesn't seem to have any limits.
Struggling yourself to keep your head above the water, but still kind enough to give fake money to a homeless person.
It's hard to imagine the happiness that your kind gesture will bring to this homeless person.
Peter.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2018 8:14:12 GMT
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Post by Jim on Jun 3, 2018 8:47:08 GMT
Your kindless doesn't seem to have any limits.
Struggling yourself to keep your head above the water, but still kind enough to give fake money to a homeless person.
It's hard to imagine the happiness that your kind gesture will bring to this homeless person.
Peter.
"Kindless"... Great, hope that was intentional, given the topic.
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Post by bargemast on Jun 3, 2018 9:15:40 GMT
Your kindless doesn't seem to have any limits.
Struggling yourself to keep your head above the water, but still kind enough to give fake money to a homeless person.
It's hard to imagine the happiness that your kind gesture will bring to this homeless person.
Peter.
"Kindless"... Great, hope that was intentional, given the topic. Well spotted Jim, I should read better before posting, as I wanted to write "kindliness", while clearly meaning the opposite .
I made the correction in my posting, but everybody can still see the silly mistake I made, sorry for that, I'll try to do better from now on.
Peter.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2018 10:07:41 GMT
Your kindliness doesn't seem to have any limits.
Struggling yourself to keep your head above the water, but still kind enough to give fake money to a homeless person.
It's hard to imagine the happiness that your kind gesture will bring to this homeless person.
Peter.
No I was referring to Naughtyfox doing that. He has in the past made some bad taste jokes on here about homeless people
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Post by kris on Jun 3, 2018 11:17:01 GMT
Excuse me. As I said I am 'thinking about launching at Watford', I am researching, I am just about to order a boat. I am a single mum and buying a boat on my own to live on is no small feat; it's exciting yes but also incrediby stressful owing to the hundreds of decisions to make. I absolutely want to make sure I am not going to be forking out twice for haulage. I came on here to double check as I thought the community would flag up a problem that I can not forsee from using the internet alone for research. It's a perfectly good question from someone not in the know who is about to embark on the biggest purchase on my life that will swallow all of my life savings in the hope I might just be able to pull off a nice home for my daughter and me to live. I didn't come on here to insulted thank you. Dicks! - - - - - - - - Dicks on one site, Twats on t'other. That thread has now been closed, because it mentions thunderboat too many times. Who would have thought Nick would have been defending thunderboat on analworld?
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Post by patty on Jun 3, 2018 13:01:18 GMT
OK I succumbed and looked..read that whole page and I felt quite uncomfortable...guess I'm an alien in a world I no longer belong in.. I see MJB is posting over there and that Mike is holding onto old opinions..I really didn't feel the need to read the whole thread or what came before that page. Some folks opinions remain entrenched...s'cuse me I've more important stuff to do....... Tarting up Hope Cottage for the viewing tomorrow....this may take some time.....
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2018 14:50:39 GMT
how nice we are all here. No it isn't you twat its full of bigoted chip-shouldered weirdos. How could that ever be "nice" ?
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