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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2018 8:00:28 GMT
I noticed that most of the northern barges have large deck winches but what were they for?
I can see the object for a sailing boat to raise and lower the mast but what about a non sailing barge ?
What would you use the winch for?
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Post by kris on Jun 17, 2018 8:01:33 GMT
Anchors
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2018 8:05:14 GMT
That seems the obvious thing but anchors aren't usually used on canals because they damage the clay lining.
I wondered if there was something else these winches were used for.
I noticed that LAKE has an old winch on the back deck. Does not appear to be fixed. Just wondering if that is something which would have been on the boat in it's working days or if it has been taken from another vessel at some point.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2018 8:13:33 GMT
For example were they used during towing operations involving more than one barge in a train. Maybe related to steam tug towage ?
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Post by pluto on Jun 17, 2018 8:21:16 GMT
There most important use was for moving the boat around docks without the need for a tug or sails.
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Post by JohnV on Jun 17, 2018 11:58:40 GMT
A lot of the barges also used to be out on the rivers ..... and on those rivers you need a gurt big anchor ...... and that means a gurt big winch dumb barges also used to drop up and down with the tide using a big mud weight
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2018 16:52:33 GMT
Yes that's true. I'll find a decent picture of one of the type I am thinking of. It doesn't appear to be suitable for chain.
Mud weight is an interesting suggestion. That would probably be on a rope with a short bit of chain.
Would be nice to get more details about these mudweights. I had a lovely lead-filled mud weight out with the magnet a few years ago. A cast iron item filled with lead it weighs about 20kg. Unlikely to be big enough for a barge though
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Post by JohnV on Jun 17, 2018 19:00:09 GMT
I think there is one over the other side of the drydock ...... I'll take a wander over there tomorrow with the camera
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Post by kris on Jun 18, 2018 6:55:17 GMT
A lot of the barges also used to be out on the rivers ..... and on those rivers you need a gurt big anchor ...... and that means a gurt big winch dumb barges also used to drop up and down with the tide using a big mud weight I could really do with sorting the anchor out on my boat properly. It would improve my mooring possibilities a hundred fold.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2018 7:30:51 GMT
What about spud legs? Not wanting to cut holes in the boat maybe you could do something that bolts on.
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Post by Saltysplash on Jun 18, 2018 7:43:18 GMT
Our dutch barge Disponibel was converted from sail to motor during the war but they kept the Lee boards to aid maneuvering so the deck winch had both roles, Anchor and lee boards.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2018 7:46:07 GMT
Our dutch barge Disponibel was converted from sail to motor during the war but they kept the Lee boards to aid maneuvering so the deck winch had both roles, Anchor and lee boards. I've seen Dutch barges with dedicated lee board winches as well. And apparently the large twin anchors on the front and back of larger barges are for emergency stopping rather than anchoring. That's as I understand it anyway.
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Post by TonyDunkley on Jun 18, 2018 8:18:50 GMT
Trying to post a photo, . . not having much success at the moment, . . . come back and have a another look later ! Tuesday : This link seems to work, . . it's a photo of one sort of the 'dropping down' weights that were used for moving lighters and dumbs about in the Old Harbour and up the river Hull to the wharves up through the town. thedocksofhull.weebly.com/uploads/1/6/9/2/16923922/3589196_orig.png
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Post by bargemast on Jun 18, 2018 9:58:26 GMT
What about spud legs? Not wanting to cut holes in the boat maybe you could do something that bolts on. Spud legs could do (I'm not saying "do") fatal damage to the canal bottom, going through the layer of puddle clay, and creating leaks.
Peter.
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Post by bargemast on Jun 18, 2018 10:20:53 GMT
Our dutch barge Disponibel was converted from sail to motor during the war but they kept the Lee boards to aid maneuvering so the deck winch had both roles, Anchor and lee boards. Hi Saltyplash, if you have some photos of that winch, I would be very interested in seeing these.
On these barges the anchor winch often had a cable pulley drum to raise and lower the mast, another winch on the middle deck to hoist and lower the sails and boom, and at the stern next to the wheel- or tiller, on each side a winch for the leeboards.
After conversion to motor barges of these former sailing barges, the winch on the middle deck was removed, and the middle dek too to make for a completely opening hold, a wheelhouse was added, and for many years the leeboards where still left in position with their own winches.
Here is the link to a Steilsteven that's for sale, on which you can see on several photos the original position of the winches for the leeboards
Peter.
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