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Post by kris on Jul 4, 2018 9:20:01 GMT
This sort of thing I see one rather small one and a slightly bigger anchor on this barge, converted as a houseboat that's good enough, but it wouldn't be for a still trading commercial barge.
On te following photos you can see the 2 bow anchors I had on my barge that I converted as a daytrip/restaurant barge each 350kg, and the stern anchor of 175kg that could be used to help with emergency stopping while going downstream if there wouldn't be space enough to turn around (never needed to do that).
Peter.
what size anchor do you think would be correct for my boat Peter?
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Post by bargemast on Jul 4, 2018 9:50:25 GMT
That's really hard to say Kris, it's depending a lot on the where and when you'll use your anchor.
On a river with stong current or not, and even more the sort of river bottom.
But I guess that you would be fairly secure with an anchor of the type I had on the stern of the "Mary-Lise"(which was 175 kg) of about 100 kg with plenty of strong chain.
For the commercial barges here the anchor weight was a kilo per ton of max cargo weight capacity, the 'Mary-Lise" was 337 Ton and had 2 bow anchors of each 350 kg, and the stern of half that (175 kg).
Your barge is a lot smaller, but you still need a decent size anchor you give you a good chance to stay where you want to stay, without dragging.
Your anchor winch has to be strong enough to pull out the anchor that may have dug itself in quite firmly in the river bottom.
Peter.
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Post by kris on Jul 4, 2018 9:56:17 GMT
That's really hard to say Kris, it's depending a lot on the where and when you'll use your anchor. On a river with stong current or not, and even more the sort of river bottom. But I guess that you would be fairly secure with an anchor of the type I had on the stern of the "Mary-Lise"(which was 175 kg) of about 100 kg with plenty of strong chain. For the commercial barges here the anchor weight was a kilo per ton of max cargo weight capacity, the 'Mary-Lise" was 337 Ton and had 2 bow anchors of each 350 kg, and the stern of half that (175 kg). Your barge is a lot smaller, but you still need a decent size anchor you give you a good chance to stay where you want to stay, without dragging. Your anchor winch has to be strong enough to pull out the anchor that may have dug itself in quite firmly in the river bottom. Peter. thanks for the answer Peter, I understand there are lots of variables, but I'm just trying to get an idea of size needed. I don't the exact weight of the anchor I have at the moment, about 70kgs I reckon. The winch works okay but needs a brake band. Do you have any advice for setting up an anchor for use single handing?
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Post by JohnV on Jul 4, 2018 9:59:02 GMT
what type of anchor is it Kris ?
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Post by kris on Jul 4, 2018 10:01:59 GMT
what type of anchor is it Kris ? its a CQR/plow john.
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Post by bargemast on Jul 4, 2018 10:12:34 GMT
That's really hard to say Kris, it's depending a lot on the where and when you'll use your anchor. On a river with stong current or not, and even more the sort of river bottom. But I guess that you would be fairly secure with an anchor of the type I had on the stern of the "Mary-Lise"(which was 175 kg) of about 100 kg with plenty of strong chain. For the commercial barges here the anchor weight was a kilo per ton of max cargo weight capacity, the 'Mary-Lise" was 337 Ton and had 2 bow anchors of each 350 kg, and the stern of half that (175 kg). Your barge is a lot smaller, but you still need a decent size anchor you give you a good chance to stay where you want to stay, without dragging. Your anchor winch has to be strong enough to pull out the anchor that may have dug itself in quite firmly in the river bottom. Peter. thanks for the answer Peter, I understand there are lots of variables, but I'm just trying to get an idea of size needed. I don't the exact weight of the anchor I have at the moment, about 70kgs I reckon. The winch works okay but needs a brake band. Do you have any advice for setting up an anchor for use single handing? On my Freycinet barges the anchor winches were motorised, which made it a bit easier to get them up, but as I was operating single handed too, I often couldn't pull them up all the way, and as soon as they were pulled off the bottom the boat would move down with the current or be pushed by the wind, so I would try to have just enough forward power on to stay more or less at the same spot, and don't move back without the anchor holding anymore, then I had to rush back all the way to the wheelhouse to be in control again, and at the first opportunity pull the anchor right up again, and ready to be dropped in a hurry if needed.
I've discovered that on many of the French barges the anchors aren't set to drop down, as they're not just secured by the brake, they wind them down, because they've never had to use their winches and often don't even know how to operate them the way they should be set and used.
Peter.
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Post by JohnV on Jul 4, 2018 10:13:31 GMT
My opinion is that is more than adequate ...... I have a 140lb CQR on all chain and it held Sabina H good and fast at Spurn Point anchorage in the Humber. Very strong currents, high seas and force 7 winds. I had to run the engine for a while to keep bow into seas, that was not because the anchor wasn't holding but to give some respite to the rolling. They are excellent anchors for soft bottom conditions and hold way above their weight compared with the old admiralty stockless that seemed to be favoured on North East craft.
I would guess those are far worse conditions than you are ever likely to encounter
It is good clayey mud there so it is good holding and I had about 60 metres of chain out ..... incidentally I had to power the anchor out with the engine as it had dug itself in good and solid
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Post by kris on Jul 4, 2018 10:16:48 GMT
Thanks for the insight Peter, it's not something I've had reason to do much of. But it's llooking like anchoring safely, is the new skill I need to aquire.
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Post by kris on Jul 4, 2018 10:21:12 GMT
My opinion is that is more than adequate ...... I have a 140lb CQR on all chain and it held Sabina H good and fast at Spurn Point anchorage in the Humber. Very strong currents, high seas and force 7 winds. I had to run the engine for a while to keep bow into seas, that was not because the anchor wasn't holding but to give some respite to the rolling. They are excellent anchors for soft bottom conditions and hold way above their weight compared with the old admiralty stockless that seemed to be favoured on North East craft. I would guess those are far worse conditions than you are ever likely to encounter It is good clayey mud there so it is good holding and I had about 60 metres of chain out ..... incidentally I had to power the anchor out with the engine as it had dug itself in good and solid thanks for the info john, your right the conditions that you describe are more severe than im planing to use my anchor in. Is your winch motorised? Do you use your anchor when single handing?
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Post by bargemast on Jul 4, 2018 10:45:03 GMT
My opinion is that is more than adequate ...... I have a 140lb CQR on all chain and it held Sabina H good and fast at Spurn Point anchorage in the Humber. Very strong currents, high seas and force 7 winds. I had to run the engine for a while to keep bow into seas, that was not because the anchor wasn't holding but to give some respite to the rolling. They are excellent anchors for soft bottom conditions and hold way above their weight compared with the old admiralty stockless that seemed to be favoured on North East craft. I would guess those are far worse conditions than you are ever likely to encounter It is good clayey mud there so it is good holding and I had about 60 metres of chain out ..... incidentally I had to power the anchor out with the engine as it had dug itself in good and solid thanks for the info john, your right the conditions that you describe are more severe than im planing to use my anchor in. Is your winch motorised? Do you use your anchor when single handing? <iframe style="position: absolute; width: 23.860000000000127px; height: 7.980000000000018px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none;left: 15px; top: -5px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_94945664" scrolling="no" width="23.860000000000127" height="7.980000000000018"></iframe> <iframe style="position: absolute; width: 23.86px; height: 7.98px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 1133px; top: -5px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_35633921" scrolling="no" width="23.860000000000127" height="7.980000000000018"></iframe> <iframe style="position: absolute; width: 23.86px; height: 7.98px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 15px; top: 336px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_1993709" scrolling="no" width="23.860000000000127" height="7.980000000000018"></iframe> <iframe style="position: absolute; width: 23.86px; height: 7.98px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 1133px; top: 336px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_63687476" scrolling="no" width="23.860000000000127" height="7.980000000000018"></iframe> These CQR anchors are surely very good, and the more chain the better too, I have no personal experience with these, as they're not used on the barges here.
There could be ciconstances where you simply have no other choice, and you'll have to use your anchor, like if you get into engine trouble, fouled prop or rudder problems etc. as you won't have much choice then, single handed or not.
Peter.
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Post by kris on Jul 4, 2018 10:48:18 GMT
thanks for the info john, your right the conditions that you describe are more severe than im planing to use my anchor in. Is your winch motorised? Do you use your anchor when single handing? <iframe style="position: absolute; width: 23.860000000000127px; height: 7.980000000000018px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none;left: 15px; top: -5px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_94945664" scrolling="no" width="23.860000000000127" height="7.980000000000018"></iframe> <iframe style="position: absolute; width: 23.86px; height: 7.98px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 1133px; top: -5px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_35633921" scrolling="no" width="23.860000000000127" height="7.980000000000018"></iframe> <iframe style="position: absolute; width: 23.86px; height: 7.98px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 15px; top: 336px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_1993709" scrolling="no" width="23.860000000000127" height="7.980000000000018"></iframe> <iframe style="position: absolute; width: 23.86px; height: 7.98px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 1133px; top: 336px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_63687476" scrolling="no" width="23.860000000000127" height="7.980000000000018"></iframe> These CQR anchors are surely very good, and the more chain the better too, I have no personal experience with these, as they're not used on the barges here.
There could be ciconstances where you simply have no other choice, and you'll have to use your anchor, like if you get into engine trouble, fouled prop or rudder problems etc. as you won't have much choice then, single handed or not.
Peter.
yes I'm aware of these possibilities, I'm fishing for any tips or advice that would make using the anchor single handed easier. I have lots of good chain and warp.
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Post by JohnV on Jul 4, 2018 11:22:51 GMT
My opinion is that is more than adequate ...... I have a 140lb CQR on all chain and it held Sabina H good and fast at Spurn Point anchorage in the Humber. Very strong currents, high seas and force 7 winds. I had to run the engine for a while to keep bow into seas, that was not because the anchor wasn't holding but to give some respite to the rolling. They are excellent anchors for soft bottom conditions and hold way above their weight compared with the old admiralty stockless that seemed to be favoured on North East craft. I would guess those are far worse conditions than you are ever likely to encounter It is good clayey mud there so it is good holding and I had about 60 metres of chain out ..... incidentally I had to power the anchor out with the engine as it had dug itself in good and solid thanks for the info john, your right the conditions that you describe are more severe than im planing to use my anchor in. Is your winch motorised? Do you use your anchor when single handing? My original anchor was a totally worn out stockless and the winch was beyond redemption, 3 links in then 2 links slip back and the chain to match the gypsy was knackered as well. I had to get all new 24V 1,500W Lofrans Falkon with all 12mm chain ....... I managed to get a deal but it was still eyewatering. Can and have used it single handed but it has always been in estuaries, so you weren't worried about room. was going to make it controlled from wheelhouse but that's a job I never got round to ...... so you have to go forward to drop or retrieve
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Post by bargemast on Jul 4, 2018 12:11:44 GMT
thanks for the info john, your right the conditions that you describe are more severe than im planing to use my anchor in. Is your winch motorised? Do you use your anchor when single handing? My original anchor was a totally worn out stockless and the winch was beyond redemption, 3 links in then 2 links slip back and the chain to match the gypsy was knackered as well. I had to get all new 24V 1,500W Lofrans Falkon with all 12mm chain ....... I managed to get a deal but it was still eyewatering. Can and have used it single handed but it has always been in estuaries, so you weren't worried about room. was going to make it controlled from wheelhouse but that's a job I never got round to ...... so you have to go forward to drop or retrieve If you ever do that John, then install a camera pointed toward the anchor to see where it is in relation to the bow of your barge.
Peter.
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Post by kris on Jul 4, 2018 12:26:54 GMT
thanks for the info john, your right the conditions that you describe are more severe than im planing to use my anchor in. Is your winch motorised? Do you use your anchor when single handing? My original anchor was a totally worn out stockless and the winch was beyond redemption, 3 links in then 2 links slip back and the chain to match the gypsy was knackered as well. I had to get all new 24V 1,500W Lofrans Falkon with all 12mm chain ....... I managed to get a deal but it was still eyewatering. Can and have used it single handed but it has always been in estuaries, so you weren't worried about room. was going to make it controlled from wheelhouse but that's a job I never got round to ...... so you have to go forward to drop or retrieve thanks very much john, this is exactly the kind of info I was after.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2018 14:34:03 GMT
Are you going to sea kris ?
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