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Post by Telemachus on Jul 8, 2018 21:34:11 GMT
I can't seem to find the answer however. Is motorbike racing that dangerous. I.e how many fatal accidents are that? Is someone as likely to die driving to the shops for instance? there is probably as much chance me dieing on the roads on my bicycle, does that make me selfish? Motorcycle racing on a race track isn’t that dangerous. But motorcycle road racing (think Isle of Man TT) is pretty dangerous because instead of good surfaces and soft crash zones, you have grotty roads and stone walls, houses and lampposts to hit. It is much more dangerous. |
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Post by dyertribe on Jul 8, 2018 21:35:12 GMT
I can't seem to find the answer however. Is motorbike racing that dangerous. I.e how many fatal accidents are that? Is someone as likely to die driving to the shops for instance? there is probably as much chance me dieing on the roads on my bicycle, does that make me selfish? I think, taking into consideration the speeds involves, that motorbike racing is more risky than general bicycling. |
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Post by dyertribe on Jul 8, 2018 21:35:47 GMT
The Dunlop family is a motorcycle racing dynasty. Die nasty (snigger) Trust you to lower the tone |
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Post by Stumpy on Jul 8, 2018 22:00:51 GMT
I can't seem to find the answer however. Is motorbike racing that dangerous. I.e how many fatal accidents are that? Is someone as likely to die driving to the shops for instance? there is probably as much chance me dieing on the roads on my bicycle, does that make me selfish? Motorcycle racing on a race track isn’t that dangerous. But motorcycle road racing (think Isle of Man TT) is pretty dangerous because instead of good surfaces and soft crash zones, you have grotty roads and stone walls, houses and lampposts to hit. It is much more dangerous. I remember flying one of the ems helicopters for the TT in the mid 90's. Not a pretty site. Basically, bring your own jam jar. |
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Post by thebfg on Jul 8, 2018 22:00:56 GMT
I can't seem to find the answer however. Is motorbike racing that dangerous. I.e how many fatal accidents are that? Is someone as likely to die driving to the shops for instance? there is probably as much chance me dieing on the roads on my bicycle, does that make me selfish? I think, taking into consideration the speeds involves, that motorbike racing is more risky than general bicycling. I understand that and I also knew what Nick said that road racing is worse but statistically speaking. how many people actually die from motorbike racing each year. cyclists are getting killed everyday. it is not the speed but the blind or arrogant car driver that does it for cyclists. but I think you all may of missed my point of how dangerous is it. if only two people die a year or is it 100s. I'm debating the point that he was labelled selfish for doing what he did. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2018 22:14:29 GMT
My closest to death was free diving a sump in a cave. I'd much rather die of a heart attack whilst watching TV.
I'm quite glad that I'm unlikely to die whilst watching TV
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Post by dyertribe on Jul 8, 2018 22:15:12 GMT
I think, taking into consideration the speeds involves, that motorbike racing is more risky than general bicycling. I understand that and I also knew what Nick said that road racing is worse but statistically speaking. how many people actually die from motorbike racing each year. cyclists are getting killed everyday. it is not the speed but the blind or arrogant car driver that does it for cyclists. but I think you all may of missed my point of how dangerous is it. if only two people die a year or is it 100s. I'm debating the point that he was labelled selfish for doing what he did. I take your point. Also to be considered is that his partner knew what he did when she committed to hav children with him so it was not only his choice. It takes two to tango as they say. I do hope he has left them well provided for. |
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Post by Stumpy on Jul 8, 2018 22:18:24 GMT
I think, taking into consideration the speeds involves, that motorbike racing is more risky than general bicycling. it is not the speed but the blind or arrogant car driver that does it for cyclists. So, it's not the cyclist who decides to ride through red lights, ride on pavements, undertakes & weaves in and out of traffic, wear their ear duffs for their latest toons totally oblivious to other road user's, ride in the middle of the road, use zebra crossing's, ride in pedestrianised zones, ride the wrong way along a one way street etc etc etc fault then?  |
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Post by Stumpy on Jul 8, 2018 22:21:34 GMT
Forgot the no lights at night time bit  |
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Post by Telemachus on Jul 8, 2018 22:44:03 GMT
I think, taking into consideration the speeds involves, that motorbike racing is more risky than general bicycling. I understand that and I also knew what Nick said that road racing is worse but statistically speaking. how many people actually die from motorbike racing each year. cyclists are getting killed everyday. it is not the speed but the blind or arrogant car driver that does it for cyclists. but I think you all may of missed my point of how dangerous is it. if only two people die a year or is it 100s. I'm debating the point that he was labelled selfish for doing what he did. I’m sure more cyclists get killed than motorbike racers. But then there are massively more cyclists than motorbike road racers. So the point is, once you decide to be a cyclist or a motorbike road racer, what is your probability of dying as a result? Much, much greater for the road racer. |
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Post by JohnV on Jul 9, 2018 6:18:28 GMT
that is something that is always trotted out in June during the TT. The Dunlop family are icons, like the like the Lamkins of trials/scrambles/motorcross
it is worth noting that the I.o.M TT comes in at 15th on the list of the most dangerous sports ..... so get it into perspective.
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Post by JohnV on Jul 9, 2018 6:19:04 GMT
The Dunlop family is a motorcycle racing dynasty. Die nasty (snigger) that is disgusting |
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Post by naughtyfox on Jul 9, 2018 6:32:20 GMT
I understand that and I also knew what Nick said that road racing is worse but statistically speaking. how many people actually die from motorbike racing each year. cyclists are getting killed everyday. it is not the speed but the blind or arrogant car driver that does it for cyclists. but I think you all may of missed my point of how dangerous is it. if only two people die a year or is it 100s. I'm debating the point that he was labelled selfish for doing what he did. I do hope he has left them well provided for. What - just money, or another dad? Because that would be a neat trick. Racing is just for fun - like all 'Sports'. It's not a real job. |
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Post by thebfg on Jul 9, 2018 7:05:00 GMT
it is not the speed but the blind or arrogant car driver that does it for cyclists. So, it's not the cyclist who decides to ride through red lights, ride on pavements, undertakes & weaves in and out of traffic, wear their ear duffs for their latest toons totally oblivious to other road user's, ride in the middle of the road, use zebra crossing's, ride in pedestrianised zones, ride the wrong way along a one way street etc etc etc fault then? without turning into a cycling thing, I could of used anything to compare it too. I don't disagree. except for the middle of the road bit.😀 middle of the lane, may be. which is how I was trained by the government. primary position, it puts the cyclist in full view of motorists. if your in the gutter a driver is more likely not to see you or try to squeeze past when there is not room. I tend to do it when there is traffic islands for example. when being right over gives a driver an invitation to squeeze through when there is no safe gap. I actually follow the rules better on my bike than I do the car. self preservation. so in my case and I can only speak for myself. I have been hit and knocked off my bike on numerous occasions and have had many near misses and I can state not one of them was my fault the near misses were only near die to me taking avoiding actions. in my case every one of them has happened on a local road to me. 99% of the time it's drivers pulling in or out of side roads. either not seeing me or ignoring my presence. anyway does anyone know how many people die in motorbike road races a year? I don't think he was selfish and I expect although he knew the dangers he fully expected to cone home after the race. I feel there are things just as likely to kill us in our everyday lives. |
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Post by naughtyfox on Jul 9, 2018 7:18:42 GMT
It's too easy to get a driving licence in the UK. I blame driving examiners for the roads being occupied by the incompetent.
But again, their hands are tied - if they fail more that means less money for Shell and Texaco and tyre companies and garages and the AA and the Police via speed cameras.
80 million people in this country? You don't really notice if a million snuff it in road collisions.
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