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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2018 8:03:30 GMT
that is something that is always trotted out in June during the TT. The Dunlop family are icons, like the like the Lamkins of trials/scrambles/motorcross it is worth noting that the I.o.M TT comes in at 15th on the list of the most dangerous sports ..... so get it into perspective. mouse has the same perspective -deaths per racing mile the Mountain Course is relatively safe 257 deaths since 1911 is a stark number - but it is worth remembering all were there because they wanted to be ; it may be hackneyed and cliched but at least the end came doing something they loved rather than infirm, frail and incontinent in a home after living the highest of highs.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2018 8:04:56 GMT
It's too easy to get a driving licence in the UK. I blame driving examiners for the roads being occupied by the incompetent. But again, their hands are tied - if they fail more that means less money for Shell and Texaco and tyre companies and garages and the AA and the Police via speed cameras. 80 million people in this country? You don't really notice if a million snuff it in road collisions. You don't need a driving licence to hold an ACU competition licence unless you are competing in Trials or Enduro that involve the use of public roads.
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Post by thebfg on Jul 9, 2018 9:10:53 GMT
that is something that is always trotted out in June during the TT. The Dunlop family are icons, like the like the Lamkins of trials/scrambles/motorcross it is worth noting that the I.o.M TT comes in at 15th on the list of the most dangerous sports ..... so get it into perspective. mouse has the same perspective -deaths per racing mile the Mountain Course is relatively safe 257 deaths since 1911 is a stark number - but it is worth remembering all were there because they wanted to be ; it may be hackneyed and cliched but at least the end came doing something they loved rather than infirm, frail and incontinent in a home after living the highest of highs. cheers Gazza, on average 2.4 deaths a year. I suspect the bulk of those came pre 80s. I imagine it was quite scary in the early days. statistically it is probably more likely to be killed in our own homes than it is racing around a street track. RIP.
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Post by naughtyfox on Jul 9, 2018 9:21:35 GMT
I was thinking more of bfg's car drivers regarding cyclists as inferior poor people who can't afford a Big Motor Car. Without realising that the cyclist may have left his Porsche parked up somewhere. Sorry - moored.
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Post by Telemachus on Jul 9, 2018 9:34:36 GMT
mouse has the same perspective -deaths per racing mile the Mountain Course is relatively safe 257 deaths since 1911 is a stark number - but it is worth remembering all were there because they wanted to be ; it may be hackneyed and cliched but at least the end came doing something they loved rather than infirm, frail and incontinent in a home after living the highest of highs. cheers Gazza, on average 2.4 deaths a year. I suspect the bulk of those came pre 80s. I imagine it was quite scary in the early days. statistically it is probably more likely to be killed in our own homes than it is racing around a street track. RIP. No, you don’t understand the difference between probability and number of deaths. And context - most people die in bed, but that doesn’t mean going to bed every night is a dangerous thing to be avoided. People die in bed, not because they are in bed. However people die road racing purely because they are road racing.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2018 9:35:01 GMT
mouse has the same perspective -deaths per racing mile the Mountain Course is relatively safe 257 deaths since 1911 is a stark number - but it is worth remembering all were there because they wanted to be ; it may be hackneyed and cliched but at least the end came doing something they loved rather than infirm, frail and incontinent in a home after living the highest of highs. cheers Gazza, on average 2.4 deaths a year. I suspect the bulk of those came pre 80s. I imagine it was quite scary in the early days. statistically it is probably more likely to be killed in our own homes than it is racing around a street track. RIP. It's also across two meetings - the Manx Grand Prix and the TT, once you start factoring in the miles covered per competitor across all classes in both practice and racing it is statistically quite low - cold comfort for those left widowed and motherless/fatherless though en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Snaefell_Mountain_Course_fatalities
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Post by thebfg on Jul 9, 2018 10:02:32 GMT
cheers Gazza, on average 2.4 deaths a year. I suspect the bulk of those came pre 80s. I imagine it was quite scary in the early days. statistically it is probably more likely to be killed in our own homes than it is racing around a street track. RIP. No, you don’t understand the difference between probability and number of deaths. And context - most people die in bed, but that doesn’t mean going to bed every night is a dangerous thing to be avoided. People die in bed, not because they are in bed. However people die road racing purely because they are road racing. but more than two people die a year because of bodged diy. btw your being semantic it was just an illustration. lots of things are dangerous including many sports. apparently 15 more dangerous sports than this one. just because it's dangerous does not makes it's participants selfish. are members of our armed forces selfish if they are killed? because that's a pretty dangerous job. I know a few people that have raced at IOM TT. selfish is jumping infront of a train or off a motorway bridge.
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Post by JohnV on Jul 9, 2018 10:09:25 GMT
cheers Gazza, on average 2.4 deaths a year. I suspect the bulk of those came pre 80s. I imagine it was quite scary in the early days. statistically it is probably more likely to be killed in our own homes than it is racing around a street track. RIP. No, you don’t understand the difference between probability and number of deaths. And context - most people die in bed, but that doesn’t mean going to bed every night is a dangerous thing to be avoided. People die in bed, not because they are in bed. However people die road racing purely because they are road racing. of course remember Michael Schumacher ..... motor racer but that's not what got him
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Post by thebfg on Jul 9, 2018 10:18:57 GMT
No, you don’t understand the difference between probability and number of deaths. And context - most people die in bed, but that doesn’t mean going to bed every night is a dangerous thing to be avoided. People die in bed, not because they are in bed. However people die road racing purely because they are road racing. of course remember Michael Schumacher ..... motor racer but that's not what got him isent he still alive?
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Post by JohnV on Jul 9, 2018 10:24:26 GMT
of course remember Michael Schumacher ..... motor racer but that's not what got him isent he still alive? yes ........ but.
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Post by Andyberg on Jul 9, 2018 10:33:08 GMT
I wonder whats left for Michael now? Father, Uncle and now brother killed road racing. You just have to wonder if there's anything that will make Michael stop. I wonder what his motivation is?
Ive been to Skerries 3 times in the mid 90's and jeez, the bikes were far too fast for that circuit then, now, when they are making upward of 200hp you have to wonder where it will all end.
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Post by Telemachus on Jul 9, 2018 10:40:19 GMT
No, you don’t understand the difference between probability and number of deaths. And context - most people die in bed, but that doesn’t mean going to bed every night is a dangerous thing to be avoided. People die in bed, not because they are in bed. However people die road racing purely because they are road racing. but more than two people die a year because of bodged diy. btw your being semantic it was just an illustration. lots of things are dangerous including many sports. apparently 15 more dangerous sports than this one. just because it's dangerous does not makes it's participants selfish. are members of our armed forces selfish if they are killed? because that's a pretty dangerous job. I know a few people that have raced at IOM TT. selfish is jumping infront of a train or off a motorway bridge. As I said, you don't understand the difference between probability and the number of deaths. Most people do DIY. A few die every year from it. Hardly anyone does road racing, a few die every year from it (or nearly so). Therefore the probability of dying from road racing is massively higher than the probability of dying from DIY.
Being in the armed forces is far safer than being a competitive road racer.
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Post by thebfg on Jul 9, 2018 10:41:17 GMT
I came to delete my comment as yes it's a big but.
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Post by thebfg on Jul 9, 2018 10:47:52 GMT
but more than two people die a year because of bodged diy. btw your being semantic it was just an illustration. lots of things are dangerous including many sports. apparently 15 more dangerous sports than this one. just because it's dangerous does not makes it's participants selfish. are members of our armed forces selfish if they are killed? because that's a pretty dangerous job. I know a few people that have raced at IOM TT. selfish is jumping infront of a train or off a motorway bridge. As I said, you don't understand the difference between probability and the number of deaths. Most people do DIY. A few die every year from it. Hardly anyone does road racing, a few die every year from it (or nearly so). Therefore the probability of dying from road racing is massively higher than the probability of dying from DIY.
Being in the armed forces is far safer than being a competitive road racer.
ok. but you can't really just use the amount of drivers. how many races, how many miles raced are all varying factors into probability. I would say it's actually quite a safe sport in the grand scheme of things. there are many accidents in road racing and 99% (guess) of the time they walk away unhurt. I still can't see how the riders are selfish.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2018 10:50:25 GMT
I personally don't understand the attraction of being a sausage-rider, but I'm not so arrogant as to suggest other folk shouldn't do it. But I always do, and I love it, I expect I'll die doing it. ooosh.
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