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Post by kris on Jul 30, 2018 19:46:57 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2018 20:31:10 GMT
Leaking canal infrastructure is a completely different topic to leaking water supply infrastructure. Everyone knows that leaking water pipes are because of privatisation and the fine balance between maximising profit and providing an essential service.
Canals are nothing like that. OK some canals may form part of a water distribution network (I think the welsh branch of the shropshire union is an example) but at the end of the day you are referring to two different topics and I would expect any reply you get to indicate that.
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Post by kris on Jul 30, 2018 21:11:23 GMT
Leaking canal infrastructure is a completely different topic to leaking water supply infrastructure. Everyone knows that leaking water pipes are because of privatisation and the fine balance between maximising profit and providing an essential service. Canals are nothing like that. OK some canals may form part of a water distribution network (I think the welsh branch of the shropshire union is an example) but at the end of the day you are referring to two different topics and I would expect any reply you get to indicate that. I think there are more similarities than differences, it's water leaking out of an old system that the people responsible for are failing to maintain.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2018 21:13:05 GMT
There is no need to go boating at all. Blasphemer !
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2018 21:14:53 GMT
Leaking canal infrastructure is a completely different topic to leaking water supply infrastructure. Everyone knows that leaking water pipes are because of privatisation and the fine balance between maximising profit and providing an essential service. Canals are nothing like that. OK some canals may form part of a water distribution network (I think the welsh branch of the shropshire union is an example) but at the end of the day you are referring to two different topics and I would expect any reply you get to indicate that. I think there are more similarities than differences, it's water leaking out of an old system that the people responsible for are failing to maintain. Yes that's true except that without a safe fresh water supply to peoples houses society would break down quite rapidly. Dry canals make shit all difference to the greater scheme of things.
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Post by TonyDunkley on Jul 30, 2018 21:16:46 GMT
Leaking canal infrastructure is a completely different topic to leaking water supply infrastructure. Everyone knows that leaking water pipes are because of privatisation and the fine balance between maximising profit and providing an essential service. . . . Canals are nothing like that. I don't agree, . . . the squandering of water supplies which has led to so many restrictions on lock usage and canal closures is a direct result of the 'back door' privatization of the responsibility for maintenance of our publicly owned canal and river navigations. Much of our canal system - ours in the sense that they were taken into public ownership in 1948 - is well on the way to reverting to the near derelict state that much of the system was after many, many decades of minimal maintenance and neglect arranged firstly by the privately owned railway companies and finally by Adolf Hitler and his cronies. The present shortage of water supplies for the canals is NOT the inevitable result of a few weeks of hot, dry weather, it IS the inevitable result of of the system being in the hands of a private limited company run by a bunch of incompetent wankers who've been given a free hand to run a national asset into the ground, . . . along with all the water that's needed to keep them navigable !
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2018 21:19:21 GMT
Leaking canal infrastructure is a completely different topic to leaking water supply infrastructure. Everyone knows that leaking water pipes are because of privatisation and the fine balance between maximising profit and providing an essential service. . . . Canals are nothing like that. I don't agree, . . . the squandering of water supplies which has led to so many restrictions on lock usage and canal closures is a direct result of the 'back door' privatization of the responsibility for maintenance of our publicly owned canal and river navigations. Much of our canal system - ours in the sense that they were taken into public ownership in 1948 - is well on the way to reverting to the near derelict state that much of the system was after many, many decades of minimal maintenance and neglect arranged firstly by the privately owned railway companies and finally by Adolf Hitler and his cronies. The present shortage of water supplies for the canals is NOT the inevitable result of a few weeks of hot, dry weather, it IS the inevitable result of of the system being in the hands of a private limited company run by a bunch of incompetent wankers who've been given a free hand to run a national asset into the ground, . . . along with all the water that's needed to keep them navigable ! Thats all true and undeniable I was simply pointing out to kris that comparing canal leakage to fresh water supply leakage was likely to result in a response pointing out the two are not comparable. I don't disagree that there is a problem.
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Post by thebfg on Jul 30, 2018 21:26:05 GMT
you pose a good question, one that they should be asked.
however it is different, what gets my goat is water companies expect us to make water savings around the home they also expect us to be fined if we break a hosepipe ban, yet.
they lost 3.1 billion litres of water every day from leaky supply pipes. unbelievable ThamesWater loses around 179 litres of water per property each day.
the entire system needs replacing and them there will never be a hosepipe ban.
probaly works for CRT too fix all the leaks and the resivours will never dry out.
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Post by Mr Stabby on Jul 30, 2018 21:34:33 GMT
Leaking canal infrastructure is a completely different topic to leaking water supply infrastructure. Everyone knows that leaking water pipes are because of privatisation and the fine balance between maximising profit and providing an essential service. . . . Canals are nothing like that. I don't agree, . . . the squandering of water supplies which has led to so many restrictions on lock usage and canal closures is a direct result of the 'back door' privatization of the responsibility for maintenance of our publicly owned canal and river navigations. Much of our canal system - ours in the sense that they were taken into public ownership in 1948 - is well on the way to reverting to the near derelict state that much of the system was after many, many decades of minimal maintenance and neglect arranged firstly by the privately owned railway companies and finally by Adolf Hitler and his cronies. The present shortage of water supplies for the canals is NOT the inevitable result of a few weeks of hot, dry weather, it IS the inevitable result of of the system being in the hands of a private limited company run by a bunch of incompetent wankers who've been given a free hand to run a national asset into the ground, . . . along with all the water that's needed to keep them navigable ! Yes. The point here though, Mr Know Fuck All about Engines, is that the canals aren't a "national asset". They are a massively subsidised leisure system for people to swan about on. The bee in your bonnet you have about lock leakage makes as much sense as any of the other shit you spout, since water leaking through lock gates simply goes down to the next pound. It has been a hot, dry Summer and so the reservoirs and rivers from which water is abstracted are running dry. Everyone with two brain cells to rub together understands this. Now why don't you jog off and find another brain cell to keep the one you have company?
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Post by Gone on Jul 30, 2018 21:37:21 GMT
I think that a hosepipe ban reduces consumption by 10% whereas leaks account for 20%. So if they are not fixing leaks to maximise profits we should get a 30% price reduction for every day there is a hose ban. That would give them an incentive to fix leaks unlike a chat with Grove.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2018 21:37:28 GMT
Exactly. Profiteering by privatised water companies had a noticeable effect on the majortity of peoples quality of life. For example a hosepipe ban. People like their gardens. If water companies fixed the leaks (why do this when it reduces profits) then no hosepipe ban would be needed. Ridiculous situation where the profits of individual and corporate share holders are more important than peoples day to day lives. No I don't own any shares.
Its totally different to canals.
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Post by kris on Jul 30, 2018 21:38:48 GMT
I don't agree, . . . the squandering of water supplies which has led to so many restrictions on lock usage and canal closures is a direct result of the 'back door' privatization of the responsibility for maintenance of our publicly owned canal and river navigations. Much of our canal system - ours in the sense that they were taken into public ownership in 1948 - is well on the way to reverting to the near derelict state that much of the system was after many, many decades of minimal maintenance and neglect arranged firstly by the privately owned railway companies and finally by Adolf Hitler and his cronies. The present shortage of water supplies for the canals is NOT the inevitable result of a few weeks of hot, dry weather, it IS the inevitable result of of the system being in the hands of a private limited company run by a bunch of incompetent wankers who've been given a free hand to run a national asset into the ground, . . . along with all the water that's needed to keep them navigable ! find another brain cell to keep the one you have company? Something you seem to be struggling with
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Post by Allan on Jul 30, 2018 21:51:30 GMT
I don't agree, . . . the squandering of water supplies which has led to so many restrictions on lock usage and canal closures is a direct result of the 'back door' privatization of the responsibility for maintenance of our publicly owned canal and river navigations. Much of our canal system - ours in the sense that they were taken into public ownership in 1948 - is well on the way to reverting to the near derelict state that much of the system was after many, many decades of minimal maintenance and neglect arranged firstly by the privately owned railway companies and finally by Adolf Hitler and his cronies. The present shortage of water supplies for the canals is NOT the inevitable result of a few weeks of hot, dry weather, it IS the inevitable result of of the system being in the hands of a private limited company run by a bunch of incompetent wankers who've been given a free hand to run a national asset into the ground, . . . along with all the water that's needed to keep them navigable ! Yes. The point here though, Mr Know Fuck All about Engines, is that the canals aren't a "national asset". They are a massively subsidised leisure system for people to swan about on. The bee in your bonnet you have about lock leakage makes as much sense as any of the other shit you spout, since water leaking through lock gates simply goes down to the next pound. It has been a hot, dry Summer and so the reservoirs and rivers from which water is abstracted are running dry. Everyone with two brain cells to rub together understands this. Now why don't you jog off and find another brain cell to keep the one you have company? I think this rather robust response perhaps has a flaw. The assertion is that water leaking through lock gates simply goes down to the next pound. Yes it does but what happens when that next pound becomes full? Usually the water then flows via a bywash into the the pound below. When that pound becomes full this is repeated. The alternative explanation is that the lock below is just as leaky as the one above so water loss continues down the flight without bywashes overflowing.
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Post by TonyDunkley on Jul 30, 2018 22:23:12 GMT
I don't agree, . . . the squandering of water supplies which has led to so many restrictions on lock usage and canal closures is a direct result of the 'back door' privatization of the responsibility for maintenance of our publicly owned canal and river navigations. Much of our canal system - ours in the sense that they were taken into public ownership in 1948 - is well on the way to reverting to the near derelict state that much of the system was after many, many decades of minimal maintenance and neglect arranged firstly by the privately owned railway companies and finally by Adolf Hitler and his cronies. The present shortage of water supplies for the canals is NOT the inevitable result of a few weeks of hot, dry weather, it IS the inevitable result of of the system being in the hands of a private limited company run by a bunch of incompetent wankers who've been given a free hand to run a national asset into the ground, . . . along with all the water that's needed to keep them navigable ! The bee in your bonnet you have about lock leakage makes as much sense as any of the other shit you spout, since water leaking through lock gates simply goes down to the next pound. . . . . . . . . - and - . . . . . . . . It has been a hot, dry Summer and so the reservoirs and rivers from which water is abstracted are running dry. The fixation on leakage/wastage through ill-maintained locks alone is something peculiar to the likes of you and those at C&RT who have created the present mess, . . . at no time, and nowhere have I cited this as the sole cause of the present water shortages. There are in fact a great many potential causes of serious wastage and loss of water from man made waterways but losses via ill-maintained locks aside, every single one of them seems to be well beyond the severely limited understanding of both you and the collection of clowns now entrusted with our waterways. In simply 'parroting' the same lame excuse of a hot, dry Summer that C&RT are making about canal reservoir levels, you and everyone else gullible and stupid enough to believe the lies, are ignoring the fact that all the rivers that are part of and supply the river navigations that C&RT have under their control are all within an inch or two of their normal Summer levels. It appears, therefore, that God isn't encountering the same sort of difficulties in supplying water to to these rivers and navigations that C&RT are bleating about having in supplying the canals for which they are responsible with enough water to keep them up to weir levels and open to navigation. I've looked back over the advice that your fellow 'droughtists' at C&RT have been dishing out about water saving measures over the last few weeks, and nowhere is there any mention of the two most effective and well proven means of reducing canal water usage that have worked so well in the past. Would you care to supplement the astonishing revelation that water runs downhill in your earlier post by having a 'stab' at explaining to everyone what those methods were ?
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Post by Telemachus on Jul 31, 2018 8:14:30 GMT
We spent 4 days on and around the Hudd Narrow summit. During that time the reservoir feed at Marsden was permanently running fast and freely. The total number of lock operations both ends could be counted on the fingers of 1 hand. The top gates of the locks at each end didn’t have significant leaks. The pound is mostly a 5km tunnel deep underground - generally water leaks into the canal in a tunnel, not out of it.
But despite all that and some water going over the top pound bywashes, pounds just a few locks down that didn’t have particularly leaky gates were very low. All that water pouring in from the reservoir was just getting lost to leaks - not particularly lock gate leaks, but (presumably) canal bed leaks. In just a couple of miles of above-ground canal.
Above lock 28W on the way up I noticed the pound was way below the concrete bywash. Closer inspection revealed a hole in the canal at the base of the bywash, water spiralling out like it was a bath plug hole. And none of that water was re-appearing in the next pound.
I reported it to the boss man at the tunnel “Oh we’ll look into it”. On the way back down we were accompanied by a volockie, and I mentioned the hole again “Oh it’s been like that for months” he said.
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