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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2018 10:34:18 GMT
Sadly boating groups are too polarised to be able to join forces. Defeatist!
Things can and will change, maybe sooner rather than latter. Poor maintenance of the canals is likely to be the catalyst, especially if one of the currently closed canals doesn't reopen this winter.
Now getting all users of the canals to come together for the common good is more challenging and until that is achieved then you still won't have the needed public support. A massive challenge but not impossible.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2018 10:37:16 GMT
It will be interesting to see what happens once it starts raining properly. There will no longer be the drought excuse. Maybe it will be the wrong sort of rain.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2018 10:40:05 GMT
Sadly boating groups are too polarised to be able to join forces. Yes, divide and conquer again. It is also equally possible that not enough people actually care anymore. Itβs certainly obvious that many of us are in denial. A lot of effort seems to go into ranting about cyclists and fine legal details for example, but none of this will get the public on our side (especially as everyone is a member of the public!). Itβs just too comfortable sitting in an armchair staring at a screen. [and yes, hypocrite alert!]
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2018 10:42:05 GMT
Sadly boating groups are too polarised to be able to join forces. Defeatist!
Now getting all users of the canals to come together for the common good is more challenging and until that is achieved then you still won't have the needed public support. A massive challenge but not impossible.
Only people who need navigable water are boaters. Yes other people would like to see water in the cut and maybe some static boats like cafes or museums etc but at the end of the day anglers, cyclists and ramblers don't need locks to work. How do you get all these different groups of users to agree that locks should work? I believe that splitting the towpath away from the canal would be helpful. Towpaths to be managed by local authorities as public rights of way. Obviously this would have a detrimental effect on people living or keeping boats on towpaths but its about the bigger picture not individual people. Eta canal system to be managed by Tony Dunkley who would take apprentices.
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Post by naughtyfox on Aug 17, 2018 10:48:24 GMT
Are there not a lot of very angry boaters now in Reedley and Apperley marinas on the Leeds & Liverpool Canal? How do Silsden Boats and Snaygill Boats (hire companies) feel about this? Are they losing trade (ie. money).
To be fair, CRT have given long warnings for the closures, and it's not CRT's fault it has not rained for months. They could have supervised water leakage betterly though, and supervised betterly the usage of locks.
Britain is surrounded by the sea. Time to invest in desalinisation plants?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2018 10:49:48 GMT
Betterly ?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2018 10:50:29 GMT
Britain is surrounded by the sea. Time to invest in desalinisation plants? Time to invest in a motorsailer
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2018 10:54:32 GMT
Defeatist!
Now getting all users of the canals to come together for the common good is more challenging and until that is achieved then you still won't have the needed public support. A massive challenge but not impossible.
... How do you get all these different groups of users to agree that locks should work? ... That is difficult but might be achievable, off out now but will reply with my thoughts later.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2018 10:54:54 GMT
Defeatist!
Now getting all users of the canals to come together for the common good is more challenging and until that is achieved then you still won't have the needed public support. A massive challenge but not impossible.
Only people who need navigable water are boaters. Yes other people would like to see water in the cut and maybe some static boats like cafes or museums etc but at the end of the day anglers, cyclists and ramblers don't need locks to work. How do you get all these different groups of users to agree that locks should work? I believe that splitting the towpath away from the canal would be helpful. Towpaths to be managed by local authorities as public rights of way. Obviously this would have a detrimental effect on people living or keeping boats on towpaths but its about the bigger picture not individual people. Eta canal system to be managed by Tony Dunkley who would take apprentices. Well to put it simply, what percentage of the general public would respond to the thought of there being no boats and no boating on the inland waterways in the future? How much are they inspired by canal TV programs? How much do they like to see boats when they visit the canal? How many like to hire boats? How much do they value the dream of escape and freedom to roam in this country?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2018 10:58:14 GMT
There will always be boats on the canal system. It won't suddenly close. What might happen is that less used parts will fall into disrepair (history repeats itself) and more popular areas will be transferred to local operators (full privatisation) and this could lead to more TV shite happening which I don't think would benefit the canals at all.
And I would expect most people to be aware of the fact that the "freedom" you get on a canal is to go one way or the other (if you can turn the infernal thing) and be tracked by people with gps loggers at least weekly.
What a lovely freedom that would be !
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2018 10:59:38 GMT
... How do you get all these different groups of users to agree that locks should work? ... That is difficult but might be achievable, off out now but will reply with my thoughts later. How about calling it the... Boaters United Movement?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2018 11:02:04 GMT
Ramblers & Cyclists United National Trust.
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Post by naughtyfox on Aug 17, 2018 11:05:53 GMT
I think 890% of Brits prefer to fly to Ibiza and fall off balconies there.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2018 11:09:37 GMT
There will always be boats on the canal system. It won't suddenly close. What might happen is that less used parts will fall into disrepair (history repeats itself) and more popular areas will be transferred to local operators (full privatisation) and this could lead to more TV shite happening which I don't think would benefit the canals at all. And I would expect most people to be aware of the fact that the "freedom" you get on a canal is to go one way or the other (if you can turn the infernal thing) and be tracked by people with gps loggers at least weekly. What a lovely freedom that would be ! That actually is my main hobby horse (behind helping vulnerable boaters). I believe we should protect our heritage and freedom to be able to explore the current system from Ripon, Lancs, to Llangollen, Godalming, Bristol etc. It is very odd that we see a threat to this yet there is still enthusiasm to renovate canals (and even build new ones!). Itβs that last paragraph which I think could motivate government to investigate what is going on with the maintenance situation and creative accounting.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2018 11:10:32 GMT
Frank Whittle has a lot to answer for. I hate "progress"
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