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Post by waldamar on Aug 8, 2018 16:16:15 GMT
Help please with advice if possible.
The plan is to buy on the continent and bring it back here. I have a large mooring and actual money! Realistically I'm looking at a Spitz or similar, probably max 140' or so, minimum of 80'
They are easy enough to find, at wildly varying prices.
Has anyone on here done this? Would I need to ballast the boat? Anyone know of a good delivery skipper or is a tug/towage the way to go? Thanks in advance,
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2018 16:20:44 GMT
Wow! Sorry, I know nothing. But I'm really looking forward to your story, and pics, as it unfolds. A grown up will be along soon with a proper answer. Good luck Rog
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2018 16:32:31 GMT
Barges.org might be useful There's a bloke called Stephan Fritz who I believe has done a few deliveries. He turns up on this website www.bowen.co.uk/TheTeam.htmlWasn't there a very cheap Spits for sale in england recently or a big Dutch boat. Can't remember the details. peter bargemast on here might know a delivery person.
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Post by waldamar on Aug 8, 2018 16:42:45 GMT
Wow! that was quick, thanks for that. Hopefully off to Holland next week to view one, hopefully may line up a few more.
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Post by patty on Aug 8, 2018 18:15:22 GMT
This all sounds very exciting..please keep us updated...and pics..lots of pics..thank you kindly
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Post by JohnV on Aug 8, 2018 18:23:55 GMT
don't ignore the UK if you are after an unconverted big barge, there are currently several decent ex working barges for sale in Yorkshire .... one of them Battlestone 175 foot @ 95K is in excellent condition it's not very old SAM_0934 by mudlarker2, on Flickr SAM_0932 by mudlarker2, on Flickr SAM_1463 by mudlarker2, on Flickr
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Post by waldamar on Aug 8, 2018 18:44:46 GMT
Alas I don't have THAT much money................ not only for upfront purchase but ongoing maintenance.. also the estuary mooring is a bit tricky - as low a draft as possible is needed or else she'd be halfway across the river! Not to mention the stony river bed closer to shore - grindy grindy! on certain tides I can hear the bottom of my lighter being worn away!
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Post by bargemast on Aug 8, 2018 19:24:57 GMT
don't ignore the UK if you are after an unconverted big barge, there are currently several decent ex working barges for sale in Yorkshire .... one of them Battlestone 175 foot @ 95K is in excellent condition it's not very old SAM_0934 by mudlarker2, on Flickr SAM_0932 by mudlarker2, on Flickr SAM_1463 by mudlarker2, on Flickr Very wise words John, saying that, I never expected anything else from you .
It would be so much easier to buy a barge in your own country, and keep some of UK's history afloat, maybe easier to deal in your own language too.
They'll understand, and speak English in the Netherlands and Belgium too, but the finer detail could be a bit problematic.
Don't go there just to look at one barge, unless you're 100% sure that that will be the one for you.
Next to the barge "Battlestone" on John's photo is another barge that's a lot cheaper, asking only £45.000 which is named "Seagull" 156' , reading the details of that barge, and having a mooring for something as big, I wouldn't hesitate.
There's another one there named "Easedale" 178' for the same price £ 45.000.
You can read their details on this site www.alanpease.co.uk/boatsforsale.htm , they can easily be shortened for not too much money to the size that you want locally, give the guy a call and go and have a look before you cross the Channel, into the unknown.
Peter.
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Post by kris on Aug 8, 2018 19:33:49 GMT
Very wise words. From Peter and John.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2018 19:43:46 GMT
I'll add my 2p then.
THERE IS LOADS OF WORTHLESS SHIT FOR SALE. BEWARE. BE AFRAID. BE VERY AFRAID. AND DO NOT EMPLOY A SURVEYOR.
I think you might know this already looking at your boat ownership background.
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Post by waldamar on Aug 8, 2018 21:50:44 GMT
Agreed.............. TBH my 1st boat was £3000 in 1988, more mooring rights than a vessel, the 2nd was a dodgy hull, I could afford the superstructure but not the hull repairs [still got ten yrs out of her though] the lighter was £500! still liveable 12+ years on - moral of the saga is............................. ultimately it's down to luck!
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Post by waldamar on Aug 8, 2018 22:07:19 GMT
Very wise words. From Peter and John. And I agree, I've viewed a few here in England and would love to take one on. I'm on the Pease website so often I'm amazed I've not gone blind................... however [and please do NOT take offence, nor think I'm specifically talking about Pease] the prices are just to high, for example we have an ex freighter/coaster with zero commercial value, WAY to big for most moorings, at a time when the London market is getting stitched up, and scrap price is low - yet the asking price is SO much higher than what can be had on the continent. I'm ready, willing and able to take on a historic British vessel - under £40,000 ........................ [which is a lot of money considering................]
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Post by waldamar on Aug 8, 2018 22:12:54 GMT
ps. Ive been at Pin Mill for just on 30 years, seen Thames barges disintegrate and be replaced by lux/spits/dutch/tjalk etc............... am personally gutted to now be part of that problem.............. find me an English ship I can afford.............please!
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Post by bargemast on Aug 9, 2018 7:11:38 GMT
ps. Ive been at Pin Mill for just on 30 years, seen Thames barges disintegrate and be replaced by lux/spits/dutch/tjalk etc............... am personally gutted to now be part of that problem.............. find me an English ship I can afford.............please! Here's a choice of 2 that I named earlier, of course I haven't been there to see them in the flesh, as I'm not in the market for such a project anymore, but they both sound like a bargain to me, "Easdale" and "Seagull".
There could maybe be a possibility to haggle a bit about the price to make them even more interesting.
They are wider than a "Spits" Freycinet size barge, but you could still go to France, Belgium and the Netherlands with one of these barges if you fancy, only not on the Freycinet canals, but there are plenty of other canals and rivers left that you can do.
The dirt cheap barges you may have seen in Belgium and the Netherlands are often so cheap for a reason, and it would be very sad if you found out that reason after you've become the owner of one of such a "bargain".
Peter.
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Post by kris on Aug 9, 2018 7:12:08 GMT
Very wise words. From Peter and John. And I agree, I've viewed a few here in England and would love to take one on. I'm on the Pease website so often I'm amazed I've not gone blind................... however [and please do NOT take offence, nor think I'm specifically talking about Pease] the prices are just to high, for example we have an ex freighter/coaster with zero commercial value, WAY to big for most moorings, at a time when the London market is getting stitched up, and scrap price is low - yet the asking price is SO much higher than what can be had on the continent. I'm ready, willing and able to take on a historic British vessel - under £40,000 ........................ [which is a lot of money considering................] I would have thought £40,000 is just the starting price, have you been and had a look to make an offer?
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