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Post by JohnV on Jul 7, 2016 12:42:48 GMT
Well I seem to have been notching up a lot of greenies for people on that thread, I have surprising myself with some of the people I have been giving them to.
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Post by JohnV on Jul 7, 2016 13:11:12 GMT
Hey Johnv - can you put greenies up for me on my old political and religious remarks? Been stuck at 184 greenies since being castrated 3.5 months ago. Do what I can, but I have been using up my quota every day lately ........ even MJG and Carlt have been getting some !!!!
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Post by ammodels on Jul 11, 2016 9:36:49 GMT
I find the whole situation quite funny. A lot of the people complaining that the moderation there is too strict refuse to come here because the moderation is too slack. They only want to see content and opinions that they approve, spoon fed to them by a team of free workers. Of course they all have differing opinions of what is and isn't acceptable so this isn't achievable. They cried for a forum full of pleasantries, free from contentiousness. They labelled honest dissent as trolling instead of dealing with it. Now they have an overly sterile forum and they don't like it. They now realise how boring it is. But are they saying the moderation here is too light or that the tone of the place is too far the other way, not asking for moderation as such but for a better atmosphere without the unnecessary unpleasantness? Would some of them be more likely to post here if there werent some of the vitriol posted towards people on cwdf? possibly, theres no argument that cwdf is in a difficult place atm akin to the cultural revolution but with so many threads here that are OTT about whats going on it might be off putting to people.
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Post by ammodels on Jul 11, 2016 10:52:09 GMT
The problem with altering stuff to suit has been proved as not a good idea, so Yes maybe the 'wimpy professionally outraged brigade' wont like it here, fair enough. I personally like a no holds barred situation and although many wont admit it but gossip is enjoyed by most hence the popularity of the slang cwdf stuff... as somebody said ..its just words, if you dont like it dont read it but why should we temper it to those who might be put off. Ive said what I dont like but I dont really expect people to tone it down... (apologies to Delta where I did actually suggest such) a good slanging match is refreshing, and more often than not the combatants make it up later because we recognise however much they are a pain in the ass they have something worth listening to... (you prove that very occasionally, though I gritted my teeth when I said it Delta took the decision to not moderate, apart from libellous stuff, if we now part moderate, where do you put the line? That line is for the individual to cross or not. What you call unpleasantness another calls fun, foxy says hes never laughed as much in his life before, I personally find that staggering, we aint that funny!...but there you have it, a mixed bunch, disparate individuals and much more vibrant because of it. I dont think it is the wpob alone who are put off by it though, you could have people coming here to talk politics or religion but who read the other stuff and think "actually do I want to be associated with such childish abuse" and imo some of it is just that, I include myself in that bracket at times. It is very rare for me to post seriously here because of the nature of some of the cwdf stuff thats posted, it does bring out the extremes in myself and Im not sure thats a good thing for a forum in general (not just me doing it but it leeching into the general tone of a site) I dont want the site to be moderated as such but maybe for posters to consider how it reflects on the forum as a whole if they post something that is at best name calling about someone from another forum. Its not like youd be censoring yourself because you could still say so and so is lying, or being two faced but the name calling and childishness isnt needed. imo of course.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2016 11:40:12 GMT
I dont think it is the wpob alone who are put off by it though, you could have people coming here to talk politics or religion but who read the other stuff and think "actually do I want to be associated with such childish abuse" and imo some of it is just that, I include myself in that bracket at times. It is very rare for me to post seriously here because of the nature of some of the cwdf stuff thats posted, it does bring out the extremes in myself and Im not sure thats a good thing for a forum in general (not just me doing it but it leeching into the general tone of a site) I dont want the site to be moderated as such but maybe for posters to consider how it reflects on the forum as a whole if they post something that is at best name calling about someone from another forum. Its not like youd be censoring yourself because you could still say so and so is lying, or being two faced but the name calling and childishness isnt needed. imo of course. I have huge cynicism in my nature and its telling me now that your holier than thou pontificating makes me suspect you are hoping many of those 300 + guests from cwdf are reading about how smart ammodels is being. You have often posted on cwdf of your disgust about name calling on here and how strenuous you've been at trying to get it stopped. So if thats your goal.. piss off mr anally manipulated toy all my opinion of course...but I suggest a few others might agree too. I think any members that were on CWDF that were ever likely to be here are now here. If this site is to increase its membership base significantly it will be from people new to boating and I would say most people would feel that this forum is far too 'free' and unruly for them. Rightly or wrongly no moderation will dissuade a lot of people actually joining as most forums boating related do not seem to be completely unmoderated in the same way this one is. yes the USP of here is that you can say pretty much what you like but lots of people would not be OK with being on the receiving end of some of the comments here, it clearly doesn't bother most if not all of us here but I think that is pretty well unusual.
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Post by ammodels on Jul 11, 2016 11:45:22 GMT
I dont think it is the wpob alone who are put off by it though, you could have people coming here to talk politics or religion but who read the other stuff and think "actually do I want to be associated with such childish abuse" and imo some of it is just that, I include myself in that bracket at times. It is very rare for me to post seriously here because of the nature of some of the cwdf stuff thats posted, it does bring out the extremes in myself and Im not sure thats a good thing for a forum in general (not just me doing it but it leeching into the general tone of a site) I dont want the site to be moderated as such but maybe for posters to consider how it reflects on the forum as a whole if they post something that is at best name calling about someone from another forum. Its not like youd be censoring yourself because you could still say so and so is lying, or being two faced but the name calling and childishness isnt needed. imo of course. I have huge cynicism in my nature and its telling me now that your holier than thou pontificating makes me suspect you are hoping many of those 300 + guests from cwdf are reading about how smart ammodels is being. You have often posted on cwdf of your disgust about name calling on here and how strenuous you've been at trying to get it stopped. So if thats your goal.. piss off mr anally manipulated toy all my opinion of course...but I suggest a few others might agree too. LMAO well that escalated quickly, get Delta to move this to the members section if that is your fear but it wont change what Ive said, I dont care what people think of me, Im sure most of them have made up their minds already and what I say over here isnt going to change it. As for the personal abuse well in my cynicism thats just you hoping to get a few likes for yourself which the last line virtually screams "like me like me look what I said I need likes"
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Post by JohnV on Jul 11, 2016 12:10:52 GMT
well .......................... That has given me something to think about !
I took ammodels post at face value and gave it a thumbs up, because I agree with a lot of the sentiment expressed. In many ways I lack the cynicism that Chagall expressed, as a result I did not see that in the post.
I know that too often I take people at their face value and because of it am often disappointed (but I have got used to that) I am happy with me being me and I would not like to see hidden agendas all the time.
I am, I suppose basically a trusting person and to be honest I prefer it that way.
ammodels came here as an angry disruptive influence, if I am correct because he believed this place to be a hotbed of homophobia and intolerance. I think he has realised that this is not so I argue with him and will probably continue to do so because our views often run counter to one another but unless he is provoked there seems to have been a lessening in his disruptive influence'
I might be wrong ....... but I prefer my view of the world
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Post by ammodels on Jul 11, 2016 12:36:26 GMT
LMAO well that escalated quickly, get Delta to move this to the members section if that is your fear but it wont change what Ive said, I dont care what people think of me, Im sure most of them have made up their minds already and what I say over here isnt going to change it. As for the personal abuse well in my cynicism thats just you hoping to get a few likes for yourself which the last line virtually screams "like me like me look what I said I need likes" heh heh it did didnt it! ...its the mood I'm in, such fun being able to say exactly what I feel like...why dont you try the 'time of the month' comment and see how that goes down. time of the month?
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Post by ammodels on Jul 11, 2016 12:52:32 GMT
nah, cant be arsed now... I don't like most of what you've posted on here and on cwdf and I dont trust you. (but I'll concede you are correct in one aspect, I do like to be liked but I am just as okay with being vilified if I deserve it) ok, Ill file you in the tin foil hat brigade with another poster. If anyone else can be arsed to explain the time of the month thing (specific to Chagals post rather than in general) Id be grateful.
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Post by Saltysplash on Jul 11, 2016 23:25:59 GMT
nah, cant be arsed now... I don't like most of what you've posted on here and on cwdf and I dont trust you. (but I'll concede you are correct in one aspect, I do like to be liked but I am just as okay with being vilified if I deserve it) ok, Ill file you in the tin foil hat brigade with another poster. If anyone else can be arsed to explain the time of the month thing (specific to Chagals post rather than in general) Id be grateful. She's on Blob?
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Post by Saltysplash on Jul 11, 2016 23:26:44 GMT
well .......................... That has given me something to think about ! I took ammodels post at face value and gave it a thumbs up, because I agree with a lot of the sentiment expressed. In many ways I lack the cynicism that Chagall expressed, as a result I did not see that in the post. I know that too often I take people at their face value and because of it am often disappointed (but I have got used to that) I am happy with me being me and I would not like to see hidden agendas all the time. I am, I suppose basically a trusting person and to be honest I prefer it that way. ammodels came here as an angry disruptive influence, if I am correct because he believed this place to be a hotbed of homophobia and intolerance. I think he has realised that this is not so I argue with him and will probably continue to do so because our views often run counter to one another but unless he is provoked there seems to have been a lessening in his disruptive influence' I might be wrong ....... but I prefer my view of the world I Like this post a lot
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Post by ammodels on Jul 12, 2016 7:44:20 GMT
ok, Ill file you in the tin foil hat brigade with another poster. If anyone else can be arsed to explain the time of the month thing (specific to Chagals post rather than in general) Id be grateful. She's on Blob? I get that bit but I thought Chagal had something specific in mind.
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Post by sunset on Jul 13, 2016 19:23:32 GMT
I get that bit but I thought Chagal had something specific in mind. I have been reading this thread with interest and IF I have been reading it in the right way ,I think Chagal possibly had ,as you say "something specific in mind" ,I might be wrong but a full broadside with all guns may have been a consideration once you asked the question ,though I cannot speak for the person that is how I read it
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Post by ammodels on Jul 13, 2016 19:56:03 GMT
I was just interested to see if he would go for provoking more, and he did... so I couldn't be bothered, I'd had the fun and the anger had gone. .... but I still dont trust him! eh, provoking more?? I asked what you meant. If you think that is provocation...LOL.
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Post by ammodels on Jul 13, 2016 20:03:33 GMT
nah, cant be arsed now... I don't like most of what you've posted on here and on cwdf and I dont trust you. (but I'll concede you are correct in one aspect, I do like to be liked but I am just as okay with being vilified if I deserve it) Just read this again to try and make some more sense of it and had to laugh, most of what I post on cwdf is about old boats and canal history, I didnt realise it was such a contentious subject.
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