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Post by kris on Sept 7, 2018 7:59:16 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2018 8:12:02 GMT
They are directly blaming an "unknown boater" for the middle which breach ?
That's really taking the piss. Canals are designed to withstand a bit of abuse and paddles left open etc.
I notice no suggestion this could have been caused by someone running engine in gear while tied up. I think that could easily be what weakened the canal bank.
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Post by peterboat on Sept 7, 2018 8:15:42 GMT
Its the usual crap they come out with, how can both sets of gates be open? the only way would be if both pounds were empty and they just swung open on their own afterwards
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2018 8:16:09 GMT
so we'll get members of public reading this then wandering around locks and telling boaters how to do it and that leaving paddles up destroys canals.
Oh dear. This is going to get ugly.
Time for a sailing boat
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Post by kris on Sept 7, 2018 8:22:16 GMT
It's the classic case of its easier to blame someone else than take responsibility. Its a bit concerning as it could cause bad feeling towards boaters.
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Post by Gone on Sept 7, 2018 8:24:06 GMT
so we'll get members of public reading this then wandering around locks and telling boaters how to do it and that leaving paddles up destroys canals. Oh dear. This is going to get ugly. Time for a sailing boat No, they don’t mention paddles, just that the boater left the gates open at both ends such that “Trees were torn from their roots, hundreds of fish died and boats were lifted from their moorings by the mini tsunami.” This is what you get when an arts degree graduate writes about something that is slightly technical.
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Post by bills on Sept 7, 2018 8:39:36 GMT
As far as I can see, this us a Metro article, not something that CRT has released.
Do we have a direct statement or even a quote from CRT?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2018 8:41:47 GMT
If CRT have started to feed ‘fake news’ to various media departments then this might finally encourage the boating organisations to start a public media campaign to expose what the charity are doing, or rather not doing, with their funding. Well one can but hope I suppose...
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2018 8:47:03 GMT
As far as I can see, this us a Metro article, not something that CRT has released. Do we have a direct statement or even a quote from CRT? I agree, but if they had nothing to do with this I’d hope they would rebuff it by correcting their story. This sort of thing will not help the already strained relationship between the boating related customer and service provider CRT.
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Post by Allan on Sept 7, 2018 9:18:38 GMT
The information request below was submitted on 16 August. So far the Trust has not responded. As to the general question as to why C&RT is so keen to blame anyone but themselves for emergency navigation closure, I suggest reading - www.thefloater.org/the-floater-august-2018/crt-issues-threats-to-avoid-answering-questionsI have taken matters into my own hands and hacked C&RT's stoppage database. Actual emergency navigation closure days figures will be published tomorrow alongside C&RT's "closure days" figures taken from annual reports. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Dear Canal & River Trust, There has been much speculation as to the cause of the breach of the Shropshire Union Canal which occurred on 15th March 2018 between the Wardle Lock & Stanthorne Lock, Middlewich, Cheshire. Various reasons have been put forward and this has included badgers weakening the canal bank or even that the lock paddles were left open. Environmental Information Regulations 2004 request: a) Please can you supply the engineers survey & investigation reports which the C&RT have which relate to the cause of the breach which occurred on 15th March 2018 between the Wardle Lock & Stanthorne Lock, in Middlewich. I visited the breach the following day and I feel the following is a much more likely explanation: 1) A small section of the Southern side of the Shropshire Union canal bank immediately East of the aqueduct failed and collapsed into the canal due to its poor/weak condition. 2) The collapse of the Southern side caused a blockage in the canal, and there is evidence that excess water (splash or overflow) flowed down the Northern bank just 5 or 10 metres to the East of where the main breach happened. 3) The damage to the Southern canal bank allowed water ingress which undermined the canal bed by gradually washing away material which eventually led to a catastrophic failure and breach of the Northern canal bank. b) Generally speaking (and from the perspective of the C&RT) is there an insurance exclusion clause in place, or any financial (including the C&RT having to pay out compensation) or any funding penalty if a canal breach is found to have been caused by a lack of maintenance rather than some deliberate or accidental act? Yours faithfully, Harry RandomBTW, ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2018 9:35:23 GMT
Canal and River Trust promise everything, deliver nothing and blame everyone else. This year sees them reaching the point where they have received 1 billion in income since 2012. Very little seems to have reached the actual navigation system, with the majority of money seemingly spent on a self serving organisation that spends 5 million just on cash for cars in two years.
All becoming a bit of a calamity on Parrys watch.
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Post by Allan on Sept 7, 2018 9:58:50 GMT
Canal and River Trust promise everything, deliver nothing and blame everyone else. This year sees them reaching the point where they have received 1 billion in income since 2012. Very little seems to have reached the actual navigation system, with the majority of money seemingly spent on a self serving organisation that spends 5 million just on cash for cars in two years. All becoming a bit of a calamity on Parrys watch. They claim in the latest annual report and a recent boaters update that they spent £132m maintaining the waterways last year. However, they seem to be very reluctant to provide a breakdown of that figure according to narrowboatworld.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2018 10:30:47 GMT
so we'll get members of public reading this then wandering around locks and telling boaters how to do it and that leaving paddles up destroys canals. Oh dear. This is going to get ugly. Time for a sailing boat No, they don’t mention paddles, just that the boater left the gates open at both ends such that “Trees were torn from their roots, hundreds of fish died and boats were lifted from their moorings by the mini tsunami.” This is what you get when an arts degree graduate writes about something that is slightly technical. Thanks for the correction. Its worse than I thought then.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2018 10:40:33 GMT
It's the classic case of its easier to blame someone else than take responsibility. Its a bit concerning as it could cause bad feeling towards boaters. Exactly. This is what bothers me the most. I seem to remember there was another story recently about the K&A and someone "leaving a lock open" or similar. These stories reach a lot of people many of whom are clueless about how canals work but they are being told the canal system is "theirs" which it is as its a national asset. Blaming boaters like this is going to cause problems.
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Post by naughtyfox on Sept 7, 2018 10:45:02 GMT
"It sent thousands of gallons of water gushing along a canal with such force it washed away the banks. Trees were torn from their roots, hundreds of fish died and boats were lifted from their moorings by the mini tsunami."
Great Scott! Tsunami!
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