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Post by peterboat on Nov 5, 2018 23:17:15 GMT
I take it we are talking about the rudder and not the AED?! Derailing Kris's excellent topic:- 1% chance of survival if you receive standard CPR (With rescue breaths) 60% chance of survival if you receive CPR (With rescue breaths) and enhanced with an AED A phenomenal increase in a successful outcome - anyone involved with a club or organisation that hasn't got one near by - whine at your committee in the hope they do cave in and get one. Stats from my most recent St John First Aid at Work two day revalidation course š Clearly the two people I saved with CPR and forced breathing were very lucky then? or maybe my Army training is superior St Johns training?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2018 23:26:32 GMT
I take it we are talking about the rudder and not the AED?! Derailing Kris's excellent topic:- 1% chance of survival if you receive standard CPR (With rescue breaths) 60% chance of survival if you receive CPR (With rescue breaths) and enhanced with an AED A phenomenal increase in a successful outcome - anyone involved with a club or organisation that hasn't got one near by - whine at your committee in the hope they do cave in and get one. Stats from my most recent St John First Aid at Work two day revalidation course š Clearly the two people I saved with CPR and forced breathing were very lucky then? or maybe my Army training is superior St Johns training? Statistically they were lucky, but well done anyway. I doubt the training is/was much different. Doesn't change the fact that if you really want to save lives an AED is a no brainer.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2018 0:28:33 GMT
I take it we are talking about the rudder and not the AED?! Derailing Kris's excellent topic:- 1% chance of survival if you receive standard CPR (With rescue breaths) 60% chance of survival if you receive CPR (With rescue breaths) and enhanced with an AED A phenomenal increase in a successful outcome - anyone involved with a club or organisation that hasn't got one near by - whine at your committee in the hope they do cave in and get one. Stats from my most recent St John First Aid at Work two day revalidation course š Clearly the two people I saved with CPR and forced breathing were very lucky then? or maybe my Army training is superior St Johns training? 1 in 100 x 2 = extremely lucky 30:2 100-120BPM repeat till they revive, help comes or you're too tired to carry on It's the same training for a squadie as a civi The non rescue breaths CPR is better than nothing but has even slimmer chance of success. AEDs as @newboater says are an incredible advance in life saving first aid. They can be used by non trained people, they work on young and old.
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Post by peterboat on Nov 6, 2018 9:10:16 GMT
I agree with you that they are a good thing and that they will save lives, but I think first aid should be taught in school, as it is what it says first aid. Also if you are in the middle of nowhere it is all you have got to get somebody breathing again, why the forced breathing has been removed I have no idea but time will tell if it was a bad idea
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2018 9:18:03 GMT
I agree with you that they are a good thing and that they will save lives, but I think first aid should be taught in school, as it is what it says first aid. Also if you are in the middle of nowhere it is all you have got to get somebody breathing again, why the forced breathing has been removed I have no idea but time will tell if it was a bad idea It's only an effort to get people to attempt to save a life. Some can be scared, squimish, unsure of the correct ratio of breaths to compressions naughtyfox couldn't get it right, he'd be more like blowing a balloon up at 2:2 than giving life saving CPR! There is also the issue of mouth to mouth where the casualty may have blood vomit etc in there mouth, I carry a face shield in both cars for this reason. I am quite proud of being a properly trained first aider, I'm also bloody grateful that so far the worst I've dealt with is a feinting episode and the usual minor industrial injuries! The reason behind re qualification is to keep the skills and knowledge up to scratch, particularly where little used. An added bonus is a couple of days out of the factory/office and some good tea and biscuits thrown in
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2018 9:20:54 GMT
I did a first aid course about 20 years ago as part of my marine engineering diploma. I refused to kiss the rubber doll because I objected to the principle but I was still awarded a pass for the course.
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Post by angelo1728 on Nov 6, 2018 9:23:02 GMT
The rudder is not the style from the North West Canals. They were more square shaped.
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Post by kris on Nov 6, 2018 9:25:02 GMT
The rudder is not the style from the North West Canals. They were more square shaped. Thanks very much Roy, it's something Ray and Eddy picked up from some where. It looks better where it is now than stuck under my floor.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2018 9:28:49 GMT
It looks really great. It weally is a Wherry nice Wudder
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2018 9:32:25 GMT
Actually not sure its from a Wherry to be fair
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Post by bargemast on Nov 6, 2018 9:59:48 GMT
Actually not sure its from a Wherry to be fair If you like to see many more photos of a Wherry, here's a site of a Wherry that spent many years in France, and that I moved quite a few years ago from somewhere near me to a yard on the Canal du Nivernais where it was supposed to be restaured. Luckely for the boat she was bought by and English couple that had her moved back to where she belongs. On the slide show NĀ° 35 and 36 show the rudder, which is very different from the one Kris posted. www.ncsl.co.uk/ardea/slide.htm
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Post by kris on Nov 6, 2018 10:05:45 GMT
Actually not sure its from a Wherry to be fair nice boat though, someone I know has what they call a wherry, it's very similar to my boat but smaller. It's a cute little boat.
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Post by peterboat on Nov 6, 2018 10:52:24 GMT
I agree with you that they are a good thing and that they will save lives, but I think first aid should be taught in school, as it is what it says first aid. Also if you are in the middle of nowhere it is all you have got to get somebody breathing again, why the forced breathing has been removed I have no idea but time will tell if it was a bad idea It's only an effort to get people to attempt to save a life. Some can be scared, squimish, unsure of the correct ratio of breaths to compressions naughtyfox couldn't get it right, he'd be more like blowing a balloon up at 2:2 than giving life saving CPR! There is also the issue of mouth to mouth where the casualty may have blood vomit etc in there mouth, I carry a face shield in both cars for this reason. I am quite proud of being a properly trained first aider, I'm also bloody grateful that so far the worst I've dealt with is a feinting episode and the usual minor industrial injuries! The reason behind re qualification is to keep the skills and knowledge up to scratch, particularly where little used. An added bonus is a couple of days out of the factory/office and some good tea and biscuits thrown in We did 20 hours a year apart from when the ambulance strike was on, when we did one weeks intensive training, the NHS trainer was surprised how good we were, I have done CPR 3 times once after a traffic accident successfully once after a mate was shot in the Falklands again successful and once in a workplace where I knew he was a gonner but once you start you continue until pronounced dead. I have done first aid more times than I can remember at traffic accidents all you have to do is remember the 4 Bs and all will go well [or it has for me] What you have to remember Gazza is you are that persons best chance and let training take over
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2018 13:35:36 GMT
How about a trow?
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Post by kris on Nov 6, 2018 16:14:03 GMT
How about a trow? I don't think so but you never know.
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