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Post by peterboat on Nov 13, 2018 13:58:19 GMT
Very good, but also a very sad find. The poor wreck looks to be in much better shape on that photo, and with by the looks of it still complete with all the rigging. Peter. Very saveable in fact Peter such a shame that morons got involved and destroyed a piece of history
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2018 14:04:14 GMT
Very good, but also a very sad find. The poor wreck looks to be in much better shape on that photo, and with by the looks of it still complete with all the rigging. Peter. Yes. It half sank there where that photo was taken which is right at the end of the creek more or less on the River so at the PLA's instruction it was moved further up the creek where it was effectively "beneaped" and dry for most of the time other than at HWS so once this was the case it rapidly broke up. When I asked the blokes down there (owner not present) they said that the intention was to burn it at some stage because it is seen as an eyesore but the owner was interested in restoring it. Its too far gone for restoring. I'd just let nature take its course and if they eventually build the theme park then let the bulldozers take their course. Personally I much prefer to see old hulks and wrecks. I think large marinas should be required to incorporate wrecked old workboats relevant to their area into their landscaping. OK so its useless but its still nice to look at. Better then being lost forever. But then I am a big fan of slow deterioration and the power of nature. Not everyone likes that.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2018 14:07:27 GMT
Very good, but also a very sad find. The poor wreck looks to be in much better shape on that photo, and with by the looks of it still complete with all the rigging. Peter. Very saveable in fact Peter such a shame that morons got involved and destroyed a piece of history Not sure about that I get the impression it was just one person ie the owner who let it go. Yes it was moved to a place where it would definitely deteriorate fast but unless the owner was willing to let someone take it on as a massive project I think this sort of thing would be inevitable.
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Post by bargemast on Nov 13, 2018 15:09:02 GMT
Very good, but also a very sad find. The poor wreck looks to be in much better shape on that photo, and with by the looks of it still complete with all the rigging. Peter. Very saveable in fact Peter such a shame that morons got involved and destroyed a piece of history Yes, that's what I thought too, by the looks of the photo, but that probably doesn't show enough, and not close enough what her real condition was. Still I keep thinking that it's a sad story. Peter.
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Post by patty on Nov 13, 2018 17:54:38 GMT
they r stunning pictures..thanks for posting
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Post by 46700 on Nov 13, 2018 18:09:58 GMT
Again probably confusing both you & self It looked very similar to your photo but was most definitely WOOD with super carving around the rear of the cabin & lots of decorative carving inside the cabin the pennant was in the position of the photo but reached to almost deck level A thing of exquisite beauty but Ive no doubt horrendous upkeep as it was all varnished with just tiny highlights of paint picking out areas in the carving I once asked him if it was for sale & a price his reply was I don't wish to offend but I don(t think you could afford it He was probably right
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Post by bargemast on Nov 13, 2018 19:00:28 GMT
Again probably confusing both you & self It looked very similar to your photo but was most definitely WOOD with super carving around the rear of the cabin & lots of decorative carving inside the cabin the pennant was in the position of the photo but reached to almost deck level A thing of exquisite beauty but Ive no doubt horrendous upkeep as it was all varnished with just tiny highlights of paint picking out areas in the carving I once asked him if it was for sale & a price his reply was I don't wish to offend but I don(t think you could afford it He was probably right If it was wooden, then it very likely has been a Botteryacht. You should be happy that he didn't sell you his boat, as it would have been more then likely that owning- and trying to maintain that boat in the same condition as he managed to do, would have ruined you completely. It's a lot cheaper to just enjoy watching beautiful boats like that when they're owned by someone else, and that it doesn't cost you anything to have that pleasure is an even nicer thought. Peter.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2018 19:05:26 GMT
Wood boats. It would be nice to have a wood boat it would be pleasing to look at and in theory "wood would float would it not" but wood boats sink so I don't think a wood boat would be a good idea.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2019 11:08:47 GMT
I was sent more information about the old botteryacht. It turns out it was built in Germany I think peter bargemast will find this interesting. Its slightly odd English in the link page - I think it might have been my original text (which is perfect as I am a literary scholar) translated into dutch then back into English quite amusing. Anyway email text: "Hello Andrew, We found out which botter it is, layying in the estuary of the Thames. It is the Verezam ex-Vijverberg, builkd in Ditzxum, Germany." Some more discussion in English and Dutch here : www.ssrp.nl/publicaties/goed-gebundeld/opgemerkt-aanvullingen-en-reacties-op-informatie-geplaatst-op-deze-website/wooden-dutch-barge-wreck-at-broadness-harbour-on-the-thames-verezam-ex-vijverbergQuick Google throws up this (courtesy of ssrp.nl) Postcard on "ebid" And there was a nice kotter by the same yard on devalk brokerage recently. They appear to have been using oak to build boats. The VEREZAM did look like oak to be fair. Initially thought teak but I think the hull was oak. However I'm sticking with the strong belief that the best place for attractive wood work on a boat is inside a steel shell
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Post by JohnV on Jan 1, 2019 12:23:01 GMT
What a fascinating thread this has been !!!
Great bit of research Andrew !!!
Thanks for updating us
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Post by bargemast on Jan 1, 2019 14:45:09 GMT
I was sent more information about the old botteryacht. It turns out it was built in Germany I think peter bargemast will find this interesting. Its slightly odd English in the link page - I think it might have been my original text (which is perfect as I am a literary scholar) translated into dutch then back into English quite amusing. Anyway email text: "Hello Andrew, We found out which botter it is, layying in the estuary of the Thames. It is the Verezam ex-Vijverberg, builkd in Ditzxum, Germany." Some more discussion in English and Dutch here : www.ssrp.nl/publicaties/goed-gebundeld/opgemerkt-aanvullingen-en-reacties-op-informatie-geplaatst-op-deze-website/wooden-dutch-barge-wreck-at-broadness-harbour-on-the-thames-verezam-ex-vijverbergQuick Google throws up this (courtesy of ssrp.nl) Postcard on "ebid" And there was a nice kotter by the same yard on devalk brokerage recently. They appear to have been using oak to build boats. The VEREZAM did look like oak to be fair. Initially thought teak but I think the hull was oak. However I'm sticking with the strong belief that the best place for attractive wood work on a boat is inside a steel shell That's very interesting Andrew, and a good result after your writing, I am familiar with that yard, as I went there several times by car with a friend that was moored in an harbour in Amsterdam where he was refitting his former sailing Klipperaak, into a 2 mast sailing charter barge, and the trips by car to the Bultjer yard at Ditzum were to order beautifully made oak leeboards of old well seasonned oak, of which they had huge piles there, and several times during the building process. Once they were finished, we went with his barge to fit them there, and everytime we went there we enjoyed the smell of the woodwork while they were building and repairing their nicely shaped fishing kotters, of which some were built as yachts. Ditzum is on the Eems, very close to the Dutch border and the Dutch town of Delfzijl, the home port of an uncle of mine and his son from where they sailed their coasters allover the European coasts, my cousin with his last- and biggest coaster has even been all the way to Canada, which is a bit unusual for a coaster to go there, but if there's hardly any work, you take what you can get, and he was an adventurous guy anyway, and at the time the youngest fully licensed captain/owner of a coaster. Peter.
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Post by patty on Jan 1, 2019 15:40:45 GMT
Its good to get the end of a story and mystery solved..
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2019 18:16:59 GMT
I bought the postcard on ebid. £1.75. The reason being that I have always in the back of my mind had a nagging feeling that owning a wooden boat could be pleasant and rewarding. I do know that it would be a nightmare and after visiting the wreck and finding out what it was before I have had it confirmed that it is something I do NOT want to get involved with. Having the postcard and having been aboard it as a wreck will help remind me even when my mind starts to wander - and it is a lot cheaper that way
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2019 18:29:59 GMT
.....beautifully made oak leeboards of old well seasonned oak, of which they had huge piles there..... Once they were finished, we went with his barge to fit them there, and everytime we went there we enjoyed the smell of the woodwork while they were building and repairing their nicely shaped fishing kotters, of which some were built as yachts. I noticed the lee boards beside the old wreck. They were incredibly well made items. Real works or art. If someone could save them it would be worthwhile. I was well impressed.
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Post by phil70 on Jan 1, 2019 20:53:19 GMT
Loving this thread,having spent 10 years on the Broads a love of wooden boats rubs of on you what with all wherries etc. There was a yacht station opposite our mooring which was home to the White Moth and one day they moved her out of her wet shed and the most beautiful Wherry rocked up to be renovated. Damned if I can remember her name, but she had been taken to Paris some years ago and used as a houseboat. She was a very sorry sight when they brought her across from France and up the River Bure......but the boys did a wonderful job of the restoration and I can well remember her new mast being towed up the river, it was massive and it was fascinating watching the guys balancing it a kilo of lead at a time so it would swing up and down with no effort at all by one man Phil
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