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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2019 15:52:43 GMT
Queen something or other. Is it the normal size or a reduced version? Sounds interesting. "Queen Lexie" turns up on canal plan as a possible if its a smaller copy. Unknown builder though. 45x9.5ft Unusual size Queen Lexie Built by Unknown - Length : 13.71 metres ( 45 feet ) - Beam : 2.9 metres ( 9 feet 6 inches ). Metal hull Powered . Registered with Canal & River Trust number 522712 as a Private Narrow Boat. ( Last updated on Friday 29th August 2014 ) Sub 9’ 8” Was required to get up through Jesus lock on the Cam, Sub 10’ 9” at Eaton Socon to the navigable upstream bits of the Great Ouse - it was the shortsightedness of Harry Lincoln refusing to build wider boats that wouldn’t fit on his river system that led Hugh Easton to leave his employment at Appleyard and Lincoln.
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Post by bargemast on Jan 2, 2019 15:57:54 GMT
I know the boat you mean. I'll find a photo of it in a minute Was for sale quite cheap on boatshed a few years ago. I believe it is a Fenland Lighter. Full of concrete if I remember right. I had a photo but can not find it. That's the one, they said it's a wherry, I wouldn't know. It looks like a mini Leeds and Liverpool shortboat to be honest. I don't believe that it's a wherry, this because the sales ad says German build in 1920, and as far as I know (which of course isn't much) the Germans didn't build wherry's. Peter.
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Post by phil70 on Jan 2, 2019 16:35:33 GMT
Maybe its not on the boat list. There is a jungle Queen which is 65x10ft. 9ft6 doesn't necessarily mean wide beam narrow boat. One of my boats is 40x9ft and its a "copy" of an inspection launch. English built. The most similar I have seen is a dutch saloon boot. My boat (when a bit newer picture from Pickwell and Arnold website) Dutch salon boot* (photo from Rietpol.nl . Thats why I wondered if perhaps 45x9ft6 might be a size for some sort of reduced replica or copy. *peter - is that the correct term ? The second photo looks remarkably like a boat I know from the Broads, it had been described as a gentleman's launch but to me it looks like an inspection launch . I was surprised a couple of years back when it came past my mooring in the marina basin, it now belongs to one of the lodges here. The name I think is "Bure" I know it changed hands a couple of times on the Broads. Phil
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Post by bargemast on Jan 2, 2019 16:51:10 GMT
kris This boat ? suffolk.boatshed.com/steel_barge_44-boat-175221.htmlPicture is from the front (from boat shed webshite) Its a really nice little boat. Riveted so quite old the advert reckoned 1920s. 42x13ft so pretty generous for accommodation but perhaps some questions about handling and obviously there is too much forward visibility which could be quite dangerous. If the cabin has been done well it could be superb. Yes that's the one. The cabin has been done really nicely keeping the lovely lines. There's a well deck to stand in for the tiller to be at the right height. Anyway the new owners told me it's a wherry. Kris if this boat has a well-deck now, it may have been made by it's new owners, as on the photos on Boatshed you don't see a well-deck. The hatches under the tiller are access hatches to the engine hole, one could possible stand on a step of the steps there, but I don't think that that would be convenient and it would be rather noisy standing just above the engine. In front of these hatches you arrive in the hold, which wouldn't be a good position to steer from either. I will add a few photos of the Boatshed ad so you can see what I meant. Peter.
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Post by Jim on Jan 2, 2019 17:42:54 GMT
One thing I was intrigued about is why the tiller arm is so low down on that Norfolk lighter barge. I've seen the same thing on another broads workboat. It seems odd almost like you are meant to steer the boat with your feet. What am I missing (other then the obvious) This boat www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Barge-40-x10-Steel-Workboat/143051272105?hash=item214e852fa9:g:D3cAAOSwcapcE0ykSeems very impractical. If there was a wheel steering somewhere as well I could understand it but there does not appear to be. Is it a "psycho tiller"? Could it be that these boats were adapted so that midgets could steer them without having to stand on a milk crate ? Peter. Would they be Scots Midgets? Powerful wee beasties they are.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2019 17:54:42 GMT
too far south of the border for a wee laddie to reach as they have short legs and canna see over the steerin weal so I would say Norfolk enchants.
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Post by bargemast on Jan 2, 2019 18:29:35 GMT
Could it be that these boats were adapted so that midgets could steer them without having to stand on a milk crate ? Peter. Would they be Scots Midgets? Powerful wee beasties they are. I doubt it Jim, but then again you'll never know until you have seen it with your own eyes. Peter.
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Post by bargemast on Jan 2, 2019 18:35:19 GMT
As seems to be the usual thing on the topics here, we have drifted off a long way from the original "Wooden Dutch barge (wreck)" which is firmly aground Peter.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2019 18:35:42 GMT
Peter. Looking at the picture of the tiller I'm now wondering if it is hinged and can be used standing on the deck then when you've finished it drops back down so easy to step over it. It would want to be a strong hinge so I am not convinced. It seems too low to steer comfortably. It actually looks like someone has bent it down but that seems a bit ridiculous. Maybe it actually WAS a dwarf steering it !!
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Post by bargemast on Jan 2, 2019 18:43:24 GMT
Looking at the picture of the tiller I'm now wondering if it is hinged and can be used standing on the deck then when you've finished it drops back down so easy to step over it. It would want to be a strong hinge so I am not convinced. It seems too low to steer comfortably. It actually looks like someone has bent it down but that seems a bit ridiculous. Maybe it actually WAS a dwarf steering it !! There's no sign of a hinge anywhere on the tiller in this photo. The ordinary towed "Dekschuiten" used to have a hinged tiller, which was very practical. Peter.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2019 18:52:35 GMT
That's a good point ! I fancy another look anyway so I suppose its only fair to try to find out the name ! And don't forget to look for the gold ballast, if that's not your real reason for going there again . It would be nice if this is that boat, as they've been searching for many years, but nobody has looked where you've been. Peter. I was talking to my friend the other day and showed him the photo of the wooden Botter yacht. He reckons there was a very nice one exactly like that which was destroyed in a boatyard fire at eel pie island in Twickenham. I remember it happening so I looked it up and it seems to have been in 1996. I wonder if this was the Johanna.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2019 18:54:21 GMT
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Post by bargemast on Jan 25, 2019 19:34:43 GMT
What a terribly devastating view, and what a bloody shame that so many artists- and other workers lost everything they'd owned in that fire. Peter.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2019 19:48:34 GMT
It was a bad one. Knowing my friend as I do (he's a 74 year old single bloke who has lived on the Thames in the area since the late 60s. He's been my friend since 1991) I suspect if he says there was a wooden botter yacht burned at eel pie there probably was. He can't read or write but something tells me that makes little difference if you know what you are doing.
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