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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2018 15:53:21 GMT
Thats good it was the cable. Well its good and bad. I've had half a dozen different boats with Morse controls and never had any cable breakages. Its partly to do with going in and out of gear too fast but also possibly a design fault in the system itself. Replacing the cable will fix it but its worth having a look and working out why it failed. They are pretty durable and as it is a hydraulic box it does not take effort to shift so there is not a lot of load on the cable. Just a thought
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2018 16:03:47 GMT
Thats good it was the cable. Well its good and bad. I've had half a dozen different boats with Morse controls and never had any cable breakages. Its partly to do with going in and out of gear too fast but also possibly a design fault in the system itself. Replacing the cable will fix it but its worth having a look and working out why it failed. They are pretty durable and as it is a hydraulic box it does not take effort to shift so there is not a lot of load on the cable. Just a thought I know, I am quite bad for speedy changes without stopping in neutral, I'd like to say lesson learnt but do think a better design would help. Seem to remember a tread on CW discussing a modification that I thought would be useful for me. Will have a look and see whether it's something I could do on my boat. Will see if I can train myself first though!
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Post by ianali on Nov 15, 2018 16:14:41 GMT
You got off lightly, then. Gazza's picture of a gearbox should be removed - diagrams like that are frightening. Oh, yes, almost forgot to add: how old are the gear cables? If you say "Don't know" then I will send a stony stare your way. Gear cables should be changed once a year. Once a year? Well mine are a little old then..
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2018 16:15:59 GMT
Oh No! Cable from morse control not snapped? Spot on with this diagnosis. Friendly RCR man been and gone, staying here for tonight and will do the flight tomorrow. Wish me luck........ Cables are one of the few things you can't second guess as to when they will go - unless the shift is obviously stiff. mouse had small children to manually operate a LH150 Lister box for him when the cable snapped on a trip to Warwick. That IS going to be your only problem 🚢👍🍻 Hopefully they will be starting a brew across the road first thing tomorrow, that's a smell almost as good as cooking bacon to wake up to Another recommendation for a good breakfast is the Super Sausage II down Leonards Road - turn left at south bridge, walk to big traffic light junction with Ransome Road (Asda) - turn right onto Leonards Road, walk to end of road, cafe just past the railway social club set back off the road. You can get the boat round the back of B&Q but you are unlikely to get on the moorings as there have been permanent liveaboards on there for bloody ages. Shanks Pony much more reliable - if a little tiring All that lot was under water 20 years Ago (and in the spring of this year for that matter!) www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-northamptonshire-43503447
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2018 16:36:54 GMT
I like to visualise the propeller movement in my head when operating the gearbox. From ahead into neutral. Wait until prop has stopped or almost stopped (might still be turning a bit) then neutral into astern. Always have a little pause in neutral. Not a tea break but a little pause. Also nice to look behind to check the prop has stopped ie not jammed in ahead. Getting a broken cable in ahead then revving up thinking you are going astern is bad.
I'm a big fan of using ears to listen to what the boat is saying.
Maaan I love all this boat shit !
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Post by mouse on Nov 15, 2018 17:00:44 GMT
mouse had small children to manually operate a LH150 Lister box for him when the cable snapped on a trip to Warwick
In the same fashion as : "What do you use for lifting floorboards"? An Apprentice!!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2018 17:09:56 GMT
We got away with a failing steering cable lasting from Titchmarsh to Brampton Mill and back to Lilford before it got terminal. Every now and again the steering would go unresponsive and lose a bit of lock, then it would be fine. Ignored it until we were 1.5 hours from home when it went totally.
Managed to jury rig a mooring pin and a branch from a tree into a makeshift tiller that came up through the cockpit floor allowing us to get home.
Replacing the cable was an utter twat and not something I'd have wanted to do on holiday with a grumpy Mrs Gazza over my shoulder.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2018 17:11:49 GMT
You got off lightly, then. Gazza's picture of a gearbox should be removed - diagrams like that are frightening. Oh, yes, almost forgot to add: how old are the gear cables? If you say "Don't know" then I will send a stony stare your way. Gear cables should be changed once a year. Frightening? Not if you can read the drawing They are good little boxes and get an unfair press - the biggest problem Hurth mechanical boxes suffer are the skin flint owners neglecting them.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2018 17:17:50 GMT
I like to visualise the propeller movement in my head when operating the gearbox. From ahead into neutral. Wait until prop has stopped or almost stopped (might still be turning a bit) then neutral into astern. Always have a little pause in neutral. Not a tea break but a little pause. Also nice to look behind to check the prop has stopped ie not jammed in ahead. Getting a broken cable in ahead then revving up thinking you are going astern is bad. I'm a big fan of using ears to listen to what the boat is saying. Maaan I love all this boat shit ! The best hydraulic box by some margin is a Borg Warner Velvet Drive, while mouse Perky powered Vanguard has the legs on Fairlight (ATM) the TMP box is not a patch on the Yankee offering. The PRM stuff is good and generally reliable.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2018 17:24:33 GMT
I've had a couple of little hurths including the HBW80 on the yot they are excellent gearboxes. Also had 2 PRM 160s and a PRM 260 (same as the 160 I think they changed it to 260 when they renamed the Delta as the 150. The 150 is an aluminiium casing whereas the 260 is cast iron and heavy. It would be easy to confuse a 150 with a 160 but they are totally different units. PRM have always been faultless in my experience. I've also had a Sabb FNR box (on a sabb 2G) which was a cone clutch and tended to drift out of forward gear partly because I installed the engine with a cardan shaft which I think was a mistake. And a lister mechanical box which was reliable with EP90 oil in it. And I once had a Self Changing Gears box on a Petter PJ4. That was an interesting gearbox as you could feather it in and out of gear like the clutch on a car. Big thing and seemed a pretty sound unit. Current gearboxes prm 260, prm 160 and Hurth 80. Never had a velvet drive but I do like the name
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2018 17:34:24 GMT
Getting a broken cable in ahead then revving up thinking you are going astern is bad. Thankfully wasn't too bad.
Gave the boat a shove off from the lock landing below lock 17, stepped aboard and waited for the boat to drift out enough before gently engaging forward to enter the lock. What the feck, something is wrong, Harry shouting go forward, me thinking what am I doing wrong, decided that best course of action was to get the boat back to the lock landing and stop and have a think about things (quite impressed I managed to get at least the front of the boat back on the landing). A bit of a lengthy wait for RCR during which we bow hauled the boat through the lock to the moorings above the lock.
All in, an interesting (but slightly more expensive) day than I had planned.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2018 17:42:28 GMT
My directions need altering:- You are behind the flats my sister used to live in - that was a BOC plant along With Tarmac Ready Mix concrete once upon a time. Walk to flats, turn left, walk down Old Towcester Road to lights passed Carlsberg Sports and Social club, turn right and pick up instructions as previous
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Post by sandk on Nov 15, 2018 17:51:30 GMT
You got off lightly, then. Gazza's picture of a gearbox should be removed - diagrams like that are frightening. Oh, yes, almost forgot to add: how old are the gear cables? If you say "Don't know" then I will send a stony stare your way. Gear cables should be changed once a year. Changing cables once a year! Ya couldn't make it up.
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Post by naughtyfox on Nov 15, 2018 18:14:34 GMT
Getting a broken cable in ahead then revving up thinking you are going astern is bad. All in, an interesting (but slightly more expensive) day than I had planned.
BOAT = Break Out Another Thousand With bicycle gear and brake cables, sometimes I remove the cable from the sheath and run it through my fingers which have been dipped in the grease pot. So that you know the cable has been lubricated. You can also drop oil into the end of the sheath and see it get sucked in - that will help.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2018 18:16:47 GMT
Glad RCR did what you hoped for. Always good to have someone to call when stuff happens. The beer will taste good tonight Rog
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