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Post by haulierp on Jul 19, 2016 5:14:31 GMT
see I dont get that, why would any 'nut job' worry about reprisals, to my mind you have to be a few sandwiches short of a sandwich to press the button, the other side having them is neither here nor there. Oh and its just confirmed what I thought of May. Last time this came up on CWDF I got some jip for saying I would be prepared to push the button. what is the point of them if you don't make it clear you would? Good on May. Meanwhile Corbyn wimps out, good job he's not PM nor hopefully will he ever be. Bang on the money with that Martin.I have never voted Tory in my life,but give May her due,on some major issues she has been pretty unequivocal.I see this Morning,Trident will be replaced so good news there. I admire her also over the Expulsion of Abu Hamza,thirteen years of Labour failed in that regard,too concerned about his human rights.The Police Reforms I thought were long overdue,she was a great Home Secretary in my opinion.
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Post by haulierp on Jul 19, 2016 5:38:21 GMT
Last time this came up on CWDF I got some jip for saying I would be prepared to push the button. what is the point of them if you don't make it clear you would? Good on May. Meanwhile Corbyn wimps out, good job he's not PM nor hopefully will he ever be. Even if a leader never really would push the button, it's pretty much imperative that they say they are willing to do so. What's the point of having the weapons otherwise? It's the whole MAD concept that keeps the nukes from being used in any event. Quite frankly, I think it is insane for the UK to go along with the US and UK sanctions against Russia. Now that Brexit has been approved, one of the first things the UK should do is mend their fences with Russia. Russians love Western made products and it's a natural market for "Made in the UK" goods. Russia and the UK should be good buddies and trading partners, not adversaries. I don't understand how your leaders have lost sight of the fact that both Russia and the UK were at war with/invaded by the same European powers not that long ago and that both countries would be better off as allies than as adversaries. I agree with your comments regarding Russia Paul,in fact reading through them made me realise just why I am back on this Forum,so thanks for that.
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Post by JohnV on Jul 19, 2016 6:35:32 GMT
I also agree with the majority of Paul's post, but I'm not sure that the last two lines are a true summing up.
It is necessary to remember who was in control of Russia at that time and what uneasy bedfellows the UK (and the US) were with the USSR.
In truth there was not a great deal to chose between USSR and the Third Reich as regards oppression and threat. It was more a case of my enemy's enemy
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Post by kris on Jul 19, 2016 11:24:59 GMT
[quote author=" haulierp" source="/post/12086/thread"I agree with your comments regarding Russia Paul,in fact reading through them made me realise just why I am back on this Forum,so thanks for that. lets be honest the reason your back on this forum is because your banned from cwdf.
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Post by peterboat on Jul 19, 2016 11:59:27 GMT
Last time this came up on CWDF I got some jip for saying I would be prepared to push the button. what is the point of them if you don't make it clear you would? Good on May. Meanwhile Corbyn wimps out, good job he's not PM nor hopefully will he ever be. Even if a leader never really would push the button, it's pretty much imperative that they say they are willing to do so. What's the point of having the weapons otherwise? It's the whole MAD concept that keeps the nukes from being used in any event. Quite frankly, I think it is insane for the UK to go along with the US and EU sanctions against Russia. Now that Brexit has been approved, one of the first things the UK should do is mend their fences with Russia. Russians love Western made products and it's a natural market for "Made in the UK" goods. Russia and the UK should be good buddies and trading partners, not adversaries. I don't understand how your leaders have lost sight of the fact that both Russia and the UK were at war with/invaded by the same European powers not that long ago and that both countries would be better off as allies than as adversaries. It would get our pig farmers out of the shit 35% of our pork went to Russia according to look North so yes lets open coms with them and start trading fast
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Post by haulierp on Jul 19, 2016 12:28:54 GMT
[quote author=" haulierp " source="/post/12086/thread"I agree with your comments regarding Russia Paul,in fact reading through them made me realise just why I am back on this Forum,so thanks for that. lets be honest the reason your back on this forum is because your banned from cwdf. Yeah of course like you I am banned from CWDF,but noone has to come back here unless of course they want to converse with their fellow banned.In fact you were instrumental in getting me banned
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Post by PaulG2 on Jul 19, 2016 12:55:18 GMT
I also agree with the majority of Paul's post, but I'm not sure that the last two lines are a true summing up. It is necessary to remember who was in control of Russia at that time and what uneasy bedfellows the UK (and the US) were with the USSR. In truth there was not a great deal to chose between USSR and the Third Reich as regards oppression and threat. It was more a case of my enemy's enemy To clarify what I said... My point was not that the UK should have buddied up to Stalin in 1945, it is that the UK now should understand why Russia does not want EU/NATO forces on its border, and tell the EU to stuff their sanctions against Russia.
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Post by haulierp on Jul 19, 2016 13:07:38 GMT
I also agree with the majority of Paul's post, but I'm not sure that the last two lines are a true summing up. It is necessary to remember who was in control of Russia at that time and what uneasy bedfellows the UK (and the US) were with the USSR. In truth there was not a great deal to chose between USSR and the Third Reich as regards oppression and threat. It was more a case of my enemy's enemy Historically of course you are right regarding Stalin,he did in fact agree a non aggression pact with Germany days before the outbreak of ww2.
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Post by JohnV on Jul 19, 2016 14:29:42 GMT
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Post by kris on Jul 19, 2016 15:13:33 GMT
[quote author=" haulierp " source="/post/12086/thread"I agree with your comments regarding Russia Paul,in fact reading through them made me realise just why I am back on this Forum,so thanks for that. lets be honest the reason your back on this forum is because your banned from cwdf. Yeah of course like you I am banned from CWDF,but noone has to come back here unless of course they want to converse with their fellow banned.In fact you were instrumental in getting me banned you can't blame me for your ban, start taking responsibility for your actions and the reactions they cause in others. It's like the insults with me, the first thing you did on return to thunderboat was launch into a personal attack on myself. Well of course the reaction your going to get from me is of personal attack back. So your the only one you can blame for what happens to you.
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Post by haulierp on Jul 19, 2016 15:48:08 GMT
Yeah of course like you I am banned from CWDF,but noone has to come back here unless of course they want to converse with their fellow banned.In fact you were instrumental in getting me banned you can't blame me for your ban, start taking responsibility for your actions and the reactions they cause in others. It's like the insults with me, the first thing you did on return to thunderboat was launch into a personal attack on myself. Well of course the reaction your going to get from me is of personal attack back. So your the only one you can blame for what happens to you. I see a nice companion set for your toilet in John Lewis earlier,do you want me to get it for you? I was telling the lady, that there is this old geezer called Kris who has developed a fetish for me and I would like to give him a small token so that even in those quiet reflective moments he can contemplate what a friend he has in haulierp xx chrome or brass finish
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Post by kris on Jul 19, 2016 16:39:34 GMT
See you can't help yourself can you fuckwit?
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Post by thebfg on Jul 19, 2016 19:19:56 GMT
I also agree with the majority of Paul's post, but I'm not sure that the last two lines are a true summing up. It is necessary to remember who was in control of Russia at that time and what uneasy bedfellows the UK (and the US) were with the USSR. In truth there was not a great deal to chose between USSR and the Third Reich as regards oppression and threat. It was more a case of my enemy's enemy To clarify what I said... My point was not that the UK should have buddied up to Stalin in 1945, it is that the UK now should understand why Russia does not want EU/NATO forces on its border, and tell the EU to stuff their sanctions against Russia. Surely they don't want any forces on their borders is because it will stop them invading the former USSR countries and reclaiming them.
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Post by PaulG2 on Jul 19, 2016 19:54:34 GMT
To clarify what I said... My point was not that the UK should have buddied up to Stalin in 1945, it is that the UK now should understand why Russia does not want EU/NATO forces on its border, and tell the EU to stuff their sanctions against Russia. Surely they don't want any forces on their borders is because it will stop them invading the former USSR countries and reclaiming them. I don't think so. Almost 14 million Russians (not Soviets, just Russians) died because Germany invaded Russia. Russia is not about to let that happen again and, as far as Russia is concerned, NATO troops on their border are no different than German troops on their border. Russia's military actions under Putin have been reactions to what Putin perceived as direct threats to Russians and Russian security. It had nothing to do with expansionist motives. No offense, but your remark reflects total 1960's cold war era thinking. It's time to let go of the paranoid propaganda induced mentality and get into the 21st century.
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Post by thebfg on Jul 19, 2016 21:41:36 GMT
Surely they don't want any forces on their borders is because it will stop them invading the former USSR countries and reclaiming them. I don't think so. Almost 14 million Russians (not Soviets, just Russians) died because Germany invaded Russia. Russia is not about to let that happen again and, as far as Russia is concerned, NATO troops on their border are no different than German troops on their border. Russia's military actions under Putin have been reactions to what Putin perceived as direct threats to Russians and Russian security. It had nothing to do with expansionist motives. No offense, but your remark reflects total 1960's cold war era thinking. It's time to let go of the paranoid propaganda induced mentality and get into the 21st century. None taken, i'm not paranoid, Just a little sceptical that a country with the history Russia has, has fully moved on themselves. You only have to look at the alleged systematic doping. Luckily I am too young to loved through it and missed all the propaganda. However where Russia is concerned I feel the propaganda continues.
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