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Post by Allan on Dec 15, 2018 19:37:47 GMT
I was just wondering about this today. Are CRT looking at replacing contractors with volunteers for vegetation management? I would guess that the cost if appropriate machinery and related training would make it nonviable. However if the £32 an hour thing with the volunteers is true and I suspect it probably is then it could happen. Oh well life is too long to worry about this sort of thing. Regarding the £32 per hour - I calculated this using C&RT's published figures and it comes to a couple of pence under £32 per hour for 2017/18. It was even higher for the previous year. I published the figure on C&RT's volunteer facebook page and Ed Moss, National Volunteering Manager, queried it asking where it came from. I gave him the calculation and he said he would check it out and respond on the C&RT volunteer page. Still waiting ...
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2018 19:48:47 GMT
I was just wondering about this today. Are CRT looking at replacing contractors with volunteers for vegetation management? I would guess that the cost if appropriate machinery and related training would make it nonviable. However if the £32 an hour thing with the volunteers is true and I suspect it probably is then it could happen. Oh well life is too long to worry about this sort of thing. Regarding the £32 per hour - I calculated this using C&RT's published figures and it comes to a couple of pence under £32 per hour for 2017/18. It was even higher for the previous year. I published the figure on C&RT's volunteer facebook page and Ed Moss, National Volunteering Manager, queried it asking where it came from. I gave him the calculation and he said he would check it out and respond on the C&RT volunteer page. Still waiting ... I must admit, that sounds like a typical CRT management/PR policy. They will take your initial query but rarely follow it up. Having said that, when it comes to day to day issues like lock faults which are holding up boats, they are pretty good (especially when one of the people being held up is part of CRT’s management team).
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Post by metanoia on Dec 15, 2018 20:02:44 GMT
I still can't work out how they - or anyone really - can calculate the "value of waterways" BOOSTING "quality of life" by ANY amount - never mind their fictitious £3.8 billion?
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Post by metanoia on Dec 15, 2018 20:05:00 GMT
Regarding the £32 per hour - I calculated this using C&RT's published figures and it comes to a couple of pence under £32 per hour for 2017/18. It was even higher for the previous year. I published the figure on C&RT's volunteer facebook page and Ed Moss, National Volunteering Manager, queried it asking where it came from. I gave him the calculation and he said he would check it out and respond on the C&RT volunteer page. Still waiting ... I must admit, that sounds like a typical CRT management/PR policy. They will take your initial query but rarely follow it up. Having said that, when it comes to day to day issues like lock faults which are holding up boats, they are pretty good (especially when one of the people being held up is part of CRT’s management team). Phoned about the Atherstone stoppage in November 2017 and am still waiting for someone to get back to me letting me know if the locks are open yet ....!!!
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Post by Trina on Dec 15, 2018 20:46:15 GMT
My dearly beloved is a volly in Brum on a Monday-when we're not out & about.He made it clear at the start that he would only do complimentary stuff & nothing which could be seen as a job stealer.He goes litter picking from/by the canal-we've got rather nice beer/cider glasses because of this😉.He also helps folk up/down Farmer's bridge locks when needed.The funny thing is that the full timers love him being there as the majority like him steering the workboat.Many of them have no real interest in canals & only a few are boaters.He also helps move Heritage boats to gatherings,rallies etc.
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Post by thebfg on Dec 15, 2018 21:08:50 GMT
of that £32 per hour, some of those costs would still be there regardless if they were employed or volunteering, it's not as simple to say they could employ someone on £10 an hour and say it will save money.
I'm sitting on the fence as you can see and a bit of devils advocate.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2018 21:54:27 GMT
of that £32 per hour, some of those costs would still be there regardless if they were employed or volunteering, it's not as simple to say they could employ someone on £10 an hour and say it will save money. I'm sitting on the fence as you can see and a bit of devils advocate. <iframe width="24.75999999999999" height="3.780000000000001" style="position: absolute; width: 24.75999999999999px; height: 3.780000000000001px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none;left: 15px; top: -5px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_26944603" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="24.75999999999999" height="3.780000000000001" style="position: absolute; width: 24.76px; height: 3.78px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 1177px; top: -5px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_31943930" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="24.75999999999999" height="3.780000000000001" style="position: absolute; width: 24.76px; height: 3.78px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 15px; top: 129px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_85552600" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="24.75999999999999" height="3.780000000000001" style="position: absolute; width: 24.76px; height: 3.78px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 1177px; top: 129px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_88759450" scrolling="no"></iframe> I'm with you on that. The money is more or less irrelevant. I think the difference between the two comes from one having the choice of bothering to turn up on a regular basis, and the other being paid to do just that. Also, an employee is flexible as to what he does, whereas a volly will not bother if they don't want to partake in certain situations. I always prefer to think of volunteering as being helpful.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2018 22:14:29 GMT
of that £32 per hour, some of those costs would still be there regardless if they were employed or volunteering, it's not as simple to say they could employ someone on £10 an hour and say it will save money. I'm sitting on the fence as you can see and a bit of devils advocate. <iframe width="24.75999999999999" height="3.780000000000001" style="position: absolute; width: 24.75999999999999px; height: 3.780000000000001px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none;left: 15px; top: -5px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_26944603" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="24.75999999999999" height="3.780000000000001" style="position: absolute; width: 24.76px; height: 3.78px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 1177px; top: -5px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_31943930" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="24.75999999999999" height="3.780000000000001" style="position: absolute; width: 24.76px; height: 3.78px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 15px; top: 129px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_85552600" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="24.75999999999999" height="3.780000000000001" style="position: absolute; width: 24.76px; height: 3.78px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 1177px; top: 129px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_88759450" scrolling="no"></iframe> I'm with you on that. The money is more or less irrelevant. I think the difference between the two comes from one having the choice of bothering to turn up on a regular basis, and the other being paid to do just that. Also, an employee is flexible as to what he does, whereas a volly will not bother if they don't want to partake in certain situations. I always prefer to think of volunteering as being helpful. I’m not sure really, I suppose again it depends on the integrity of the individual. On one hand you get paid staff who pull sickies a lot. On the other hand you’ll get volunteers who will still help out in the rain. Money certainly focuses the mind of most people. Whether it should, is another matter. We have done the odd ‘charity’ gig in the past. We wouldn’t dream of being less professional just because we aren’t getting paid. In a way it would look bad on our reputation . I guess it’s the same with any volunteer, Then again, I suppose some people just don’t give a damn in the first place and just want the T shirt.
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Post by naughtyfox on Dec 16, 2018 7:50:15 GMT
I just wonder who it's aimed at, what's the target audience for this video? Another load of multicultural bollocks. Children in burkas attending to flower beds by canals so the wealthy white English sahibs can enjoy their boating?
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Post by naughtyfox on Dec 16, 2018 7:59:15 GMT
At the end of this ridiculous video you see a person with "confidence" written next to its image, I suppose that it's a girl that was shown earlier in this video, although I'm not sure what it was, as only the eyes were visible, a real proof of confidence. See something suspicious? See it, say it, sorted!
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Post by naughtyfox on Dec 16, 2018 8:04:23 GMT
I always give a cheery smile and little nod to fishermen. 80% ignore you. Miserable cunts.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2018 8:08:36 GMT
I always give a cheery smile and little nod to fishermen. 80% ignore you. Miserable cunts. I do the same. I get the impression a lot of fishermen have a pathological hatred of anyone having a nice day doing something pleasant. Their sole aim seems to be sitting around with a wheelbarrow of equipment looking pissed off waiting for a vanishingly tiny fish to appear on their hook so they can weigh it. Very bizarre.
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