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Post by quaysider on Jul 25, 2016 18:00:42 GMT
OK - as you all know, we have very little money... There's bugger all left to sell... the boat delivery is not far away now... and although my "wishlist" has (in order of preference) inverters from Mastervolt, Victron or Sterling on it, the reality is any of them are expensive. The "largest" appliance to be run will be a washer - rated somewhere between 1550 and 2300 watt - depending on what's on offer this time next year probably... IN the meantime though, I want to get mains power up and running asap. (incidentally, in currys there is a slimline beko 6kg load on offer here in wakey at 170 quid and it's rated at 1550 watts).... Does anyone have experience - hopefully satisfactory and NON-fire related of another brand that I could buy for less? - at the moment, all I can come across is this www.ebay.co.uk/itm/201099875207?_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AITand the main reason I'm leaning towards it is the weight! be kind to the ginger would you please?... it's been a difficult day.
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Post by PaulG2 on Jul 25, 2016 18:15:36 GMT
the boat delivery is not far away now... IN the meantime though, I want to get mains power up and running asap. I thought you already have the boat. What's your other thread about that has the start of the fit out log? ? Will you be hooked up to mains power for the fit out? If so, why do you need an inverter right now? You can do all of the 230V wiring and install your service panel (consumer unit? - I forgot what you call it there) etc. without installing the inverter. All you have to do is leave room and have the proper wires in place for the inverter, but you don't really need the inverter until you are ready to disconnect from the shore power and set sail.
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Post by quaysider on Jul 25, 2016 18:25:19 GMT
nah - the boat is being lined out for me to complete... Our mooring is just online with no shoreline - ergo, I'll need to have independent power and rather than lugging a couple of 12v batteries or a generator (which would piss off the neighbouring boats) I may as well tackle the inverter early on - I'll have temp solar panels (that I've taken off the summer house) up and running from day 1 and the boat has a hospital silencer being fitted so charging up won't be too noisy.
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Post by Telemachus on Jul 25, 2016 19:07:47 GMT
You do tend to get what you pay for. The device you link to is very cheap for what it claims to do, but as the listing doesn't even know the country of origin (though probably China) it is very much a shot in the dark. Maybe it will be fine and last for years. Or maybe it will fail/go on fire in the first month. Is there any warranty (don't think so) and where would you send it for repair?
Apart from possible reliability issues, what is the "pureness" of the sine wave (not specified). The efficiency at 80% seems very low. Our Mastervolt is 90%. 80% at 3kw is 600w of wasted heat ie 50A or so. What is the idle power consumption (our's is 9w, many mid range inverter's are twice that, your proposed one could be a lot more.)
I appreciate that you can only afford what you can afford, but then again the old adage of "buy cheap buy twice" usually applies.
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Post by PaulG2 on Jul 25, 2016 19:20:08 GMT
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Post by quaysider on Jul 25, 2016 19:26:58 GMT
er thanks... (I think)... my German isn't up to much though ;-)
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Post by JohnV on Jul 25, 2016 19:34:54 GMT
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Post by PaulG2 on Jul 25, 2016 19:46:02 GMT
er thanks... (I think)... my German isn't up to much though ;-) I see, well, how's your Dutch because both those sites are in the Netherlands. Regardless, use the Chrome browser and it will translate any website for you. It really works quite well and very fast too. You probably have similar publications there in the UK. Apollo Duck also has a used equipment section too.
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Post by quaysider on Jul 25, 2016 19:48:56 GMT
You do tend to get what you pay for. The device you link to is very cheap for what it claims to do, but as the listing doesn't even know the country of origin (though probably China) it is very much a shot in the dark. Maybe it will be fine and last for years. Or maybe it will fail/go on fire in the first month. Is there any warranty (don't think so) and where would you send it for repair? Apart from possible reliability issues, what is the "pureness" of the sine wave (not specified). The efficiency at 80% seems very low. Our Mastervolt is 90%. 80% at 3kw is 600w of wasted heat ie 50A or so. What is the idle power consumption (our's is 9w, many mid range inverter's are twice that, your proposed one could be a lot more.) I appreciate that you can only afford what you can afford, but then again the old adage of "buy cheap buy twice" usually applies. I've just had a brainwave - perhaps it's time you updated yours to a bigger model and sell (read donate) me your old model? - I promise to take good care of it
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Post by Telemachus on Jul 25, 2016 19:59:27 GMT
You do tend to get what you pay for. The device you link to is very cheap for what it claims to do, but as the listing doesn't even know the country of origin (though probably China) it is very much a shot in the dark. Maybe it will be fine and last for years. Or maybe it will fail/go on fire in the first month. Is there any warranty (don't think so) and where would you send it for repair? Apart from possible reliability issues, what is the "pureness" of the sine wave (not specified). The efficiency at 80% seems very low. Our Mastervolt is 90%. 80% at 3kw is 600w of wasted heat ie 50A or so. What is the idle power consumption (our's is 9w, many mid range inverter's are twice that, your proposed one could be a lot more.) I appreciate that you can only afford what you can afford, but then again the old adage of "buy cheap buy twice" usually applies. I've just had a brainwave - perhaps it's time you updated yours to a bigger model and sell (read donate) me your old model? - I promise to take good care of it Hmmm, let me think..... Sorry we don't need a bigger model - so tough!
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Post by Mr Stabby on Jul 25, 2016 20:43:22 GMT
nah - the boat is being lined out for me to complete... Our mooring is just online with no shoreline - ergo, I'll need to have independent power and rather than lugging a couple of 12v batteries or a generator (which would piss off the neighbouring boats)If you wanted to run a washing machine via an inverter you would have to have the boat engine running anyway unless you wanted to toast your batteries.
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Post by Delta9 on Jul 25, 2016 20:49:49 GMT
Just get a little twin tub and a smaller but better quality inverter.
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Post by quaysider on Jul 26, 2016 5:14:58 GMT
Just get a little twin tub and a smaller but better quality inverter. Whilst I like the idea of them - (grew up with one so I suppose it brings back happy childhood memories)... I ALSO remember the faff involved. For the first year or so living on board, I'll still be working so having "workshop" clothes in need of a good wash ... an auto really is the easiest option. I suppose I could advertise for a washer woman/man/inbetweener
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Post by Telemachus on Jul 26, 2016 8:08:52 GMT
Just get a little twin tub and a smaller but better quality inverter. Whilst I like the idea of them - (grew up with one so I suppose it brings back happy childhood memories)... I ALSO remember the faff involved. For the first year or so living on board, I'll still be working so having "workshop" clothes in need of a good wash ... an auto really is the easiest option. I suppose I could advertise for a washer woman/man/inbetweener The naysayers about automatic washing machines are usually the people that don't have them. They only use a lot of power at the start of the wash when the electric element is heating the water. After that, for the rest of the wash, all rinses and spinning, they don't use much power and can be run off batteries. I'm sure they also use less water than doing it all manually. so you either have to: run the engine during the first 30 mins or so of the wash or have means to do the first fill with hot water. One way to do that is to supply the washer from a thermostatic mixer (because engine temperature hot water may be too hot). Turn it to 40 deg or whatever whilst it fills, then back to cold for the remainder of the cycle.
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