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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2019 8:49:23 GMT
The problem with going with other boats is what will their reaction be if there is an emergency? Will they panic? And how do YOU know that THEIR boat is sound and you won't end up putting your boat at risk by towing them?
If you are confident with your boat and yourself then I personally think its better to go alone. The only thing which could go wrong is an emergency. I would rather rely on professionals in an emergency than other pleasure boaters.
Classic example was that amphib sinking in Liverpool dock. One of the narrow boats which "saved" people put the people in the water at risk with too much prop turning. Not only does this present an injury risk it also aerates the water meaning you can't float in it. 5:40 onwards in this video clip.
Not good. Some peoples "panic" reaction to a situation can do more harm than good.
Give me emergency responders any day.
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Post by JohnV on Feb 7, 2019 8:56:13 GMT
I think that is slightly unfair when we are talking about a St Pancras "jolly" There is a heck of a lot of tideway experience there and the majority of the boats on one of their trips will have experienced crew
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2019 9:00:03 GMT
I think that is slightly unfair when we are talking about a St Pancras "jolly" There is a heck of a lot of tideway experience there and the majority of the boats on one of their trips will have experienced crew I'd still rather be on my own relying on the lifeboats in an emergency myself. Too many other boats about confuses the issue. Bit of a selfish view maybe and you are right SPCC do know what they are doing.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2019 9:23:17 GMT
The problem with going with other boats is what will their reaction be if there is an emergency? Will they panic? And how do YOU know that THEIR boat is sound and you won't end up putting your boat at risk by towing them? If you are confident with your boat and yourself then I personally think its better to go alone. The only thing which could go wrong is an emergency. I would rather rely on professionals in an emergency than other pleasure boaters. Classic example was that amphib sinking in Liverpool dock. One of the narrow boats which "saved" people put the people in the water at risk with too much prop turning. Not only does this present an injury risk it also aerates the water meaning you can't float in it. 5:40 onwards in this video clip. Not good. Some peoples "panic" reaction to a situation can do more harm than good. Give me emergency responders any day. I think it’s a bit unfair to assume that skippers of narrow boats won’t ensure the prop isn’t turning when it is anywhere near someone in the water. One of the first things I tell people if they are steering mine is to put it in neutral immediately if someone falls in. Also. if there are no immediate emergency responses, wouild you or I attempt to help? I bet we wouild. When I watch this video before it made me realise how useful a ladder wouild br to get up onto the gunwale. I looked into the price of them but they aren’t cheap.
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Post by naughtyfox on Feb 7, 2019 9:30:41 GMT
When are the PLA going to clamp down on those scallywags who run the 'clippers' (eg. from Tower of London to Westminster) and give the commentary (Monument on the right, Stabbing Paradise on the sarf side, etc.), and then come out with the blub story about not getting paid much, and that the commentary was their own voluntary way to entertain the foreign tourist passengers, please give generous tips? Fecking scam artists. www.tripadvisor.co.uk/ShowUserReviews-g186338-d1188478-r313466931-MBNA_Thames_Clippers-London_England.html
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2019 9:34:40 GMT
No that's not the Clippers. Thats city cruises and probably other tourist boat operators.
Clippers are very professionally handled. They have had some problems and accidents but they don't do commentary in return for cash in a bucket.
The clipper is a high speed passenger service rather than a sightseeing service.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2019 9:38:47 GMT
I think it’s a bit unfair to assume that skippers of narrow boats won’t ensure the prop isn’t turning when it is anywhere near someone in the water. I don't assume that. People do unpredictable things when faced with what they think is an emergency.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2019 9:41:34 GMT
I went on the RIB experience trip on the bottom part of the Thames. It certainly made me realise how choppy it gets out there.....the RIB didn’t help much either. Good fun though.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2019 9:44:51 GMT
I think it’s a bit unfair to assume that skippers of narrow boats won’t ensure the prop isn’t turning when it is anywhere near someone in the water. I don't assume that. People do unpredictable things when faced with what they think is an emergency. Yes, but the consequences of doing nothing could be far worse. Some people are not strong swimmers. If you’d been skipper of one of those narrowboats, would you have tried to help?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2019 10:06:14 GMT
Yes if I was in the immediate vicinity. I would not have motored in there I think the situation would be better contained with life rings and other flotation. It was summer and the water was not flowing.
Its the racing about I object to. If there is a true emergency ie someone in serious trouble in the water I would prefer to jump in with flotation aids and help them than to race over to them in the boat. This is when the bank is very close. Slightly different on a tidal river such as the thames in the pool of London.
Instinct is to try to help but if you have several boats about and they all try to help it could get problematic.
I know spcc do a presentation about safety so I guess there is a man overboard protocol they follow.
I did actually saved someone's life who would otherwise drown when I was a teenager. Too many people in my dinghy (six teenagers) it overturned and I helped one of the girls to the bank to discover she could not swim and we had no lifejackets.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2019 10:10:27 GMT
Yes if I was in the immediate vicinity. I would not have motored in there I think the situation would be better contained with life rings and other flotation. It was summer and the water was not flowing. Its the racing about I object to. If there is a true emergency ie someone in serious trouble in the water I would prefer to jump in with flotation aids and help them than to race over to them in the boat. This is when the bank is very close. Slightly different on a tidal river such as the thames in the pool of London. Instinct is to try to help but if you have several boats about and they all try to help it could get problematic. I know spcc do a presentation about safety so I guess there is a man overboard protocol they follow. I did actually saved someone's life who would otherwise drown when I was a teenager. Too many people in my dinghy (six teenagers) it overturned and I helped one of the girls to the bank to discover she could not swim and we had no lifejackets. Hmm...I think we’ll have to agree to disagree on that one MM. It is difficult to judge without being in that situation I guess.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2019 10:12:24 GMT
It is difficult to judge which is why people will do unpredictable things. Happy to disagree
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