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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2019 19:49:36 GMT
.… but I DID get conned on the Thames a couple of years back for £8.50 on the lock landing in January when one of the locals grassed me up …. never again!! x I hate it when people say "just moor on the lock layby". This is not right. The lock layby is there for vessels waiting for the lock. People are allowed to go boating at any time and as someone who regularly goes on the Thames "out of hours" I object to boats blocking the layby. If you want to avoid the EA mooring fee move off before the keeper turns up.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2019 19:51:59 GMT
Forty years ago I was young and lovely ……. I'm sure you're still lovely.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2019 19:52:59 GMT
I've never paid to moor overnight when out boating. One of my fleet is on a residential mooring which attracts mooring fees but other than that there really is no need to be paying to moor a boat. Maybe I should have said "less than a thousand pounds a year which includes moorings" rather than a few hundred. Still a massive bargain considering what you can do. I am not sure how I can boat on your inland waters and not pay for mooring, it may be disguised as a licence fee, but it still has to be paid for. I reckon the true cost of a mooring on the canal is about £200: some water and some attachment to some land. The cost of a sea mooring is twice tha: Crown Estates takes a whack and the rest is hardware plus costs. Years ago we paid for the ground tackle and did it ourselves, about £100, per annum, if that. I suppose it depends how you see it. I see the "license fee" as being for the infrastructure such as locks and enough water about. Mooring is a bonus. I don't think allocating part of the license fee as mooring costs is valid.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2019 19:57:01 GMT
Forty years ago I was young and lovely ……. I dare say, but if you worked for forty years, what use is it, you can't walk down the street without having to put your hand in your pocket. oops, Glenmorangie moment, sorry about that, it was a liquid lunch too.......................!................
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Post by Mr Stabby on Feb 15, 2019 20:07:04 GMT
Forty years ago many northern rivers weren't fishable. They certainly are now. Rog Good news for you. Not such good news for the fish.
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Post by metanoia on Feb 15, 2019 20:09:03 GMT
.… but I DID get conned on the Thames a couple of years back for £8.50 on the lock landing in January when one of the locals grassed me up …. never again!! x I hate it when people say "just moor on the lock layby". This is not right. The lock layby is there for vessels waiting for the lock. People are allowed to go boating at any time and as someone who regularly goes on the Thames "out of hours" I object to boats blocking the layby. If you want to avoid the EA mooring fee move off before the keeper turns up. Twasn't exactly the layby - I wouldn't dream of doing that - more the one bit they can charge you for just beyond as I didn't know where to head and it was late and quiet enough for January - but some arse phoned the lockie who'd driven up for many, many miles to take those few quid... the one who was SO nicey nicey two locks down …. long conversations about CRT and EA merger ...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2019 20:10:18 GMT
When he says Northern rivers he means industrial rivers, the Tyne I suppose but the Tweed and the Stinchar and so on were still pure water. ..................
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2019 20:17:30 GMT
I hate it when people say "just moor on the lock layby". This is not right. The lock layby is there for vessels waiting for the lock. People are allowed to go boating at any time and as someone who regularly goes on the Thames "out of hours" I object to boats blocking the layby. If you want to avoid the EA mooring fee move off before the keeper turns up. Twasn't exactly the layby - I wouldn't dream of doing that - more the one bit they can charge you for just beyond as I didn't know where to head and it was late and quiet enough for January - but some arse phoned the lockie who'd driven up for many, many miles to take those few quid... the one who was SO nicey nicey two locks down …. long conversations about CRT and EA merger ... But I don't want to take avoiding action to avoid paying mooring fees, fair enough if it so happens I am missed, but I don't intend to creep about in the early hours to avoid a penalty.
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Post by metanoia on Feb 15, 2019 20:22:20 GMT
Forty years ago I was young and lovely ……. I'm sure you're still lovely. Thank you x we all deserve better xxxxx
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Post by TonyDunkley on Feb 15, 2019 20:22:52 GMT
Yes, for both types of C&RT Boat Licence, . . the genuine, mandatory Licences for the canals, and the phony ones they sell as 'Rivers only Licences' with VAT fraudulently added to and collected on what is in fact a registration fee as opposed to a licence fee, and which, according to both the EA and more importantly, HMR&C, does NOT attract VAT. <iframe width="29.4000000000001" height="5.18000000000001" id="MoatPxIOPT0_91737402" scrolling="no" style="border-style: none; left: 15px; top: -5px; width: 29.4px; height: 5.18px; position: absolute; z-index: -9999;"></iframe> <iframe width="29.4000000000001" height="5.18000000000001" id="MoatPxIOPT0_88218862" scrolling="no" style="border-style: none; left: 1405px; top: -5px; width: 29.4px; height: 5.18px; position: absolute; z-index: -9999;"></iframe> <iframe width="29.4000000000001" height="5.18000000000001" id="MoatPxIOPT0_15910646" scrolling="no" style="border-style: none; left: 15px; top: 197px; width: 29.4px; height: 5.18px; position: absolute; z-index: -9999;"></iframe> <iframe width="29.4000000000001" height="5.18000000000001" id="MoatPxIOPT0_95834443" scrolling="no" style="border-style: none; left: 1405px; top: 197px; width: 29.4px; height: 5.18px; position: absolute; z-index: -9999;"></iframe> Have always wondered about the VAT element. Apologies if it's been done to death but I often think that as I live aboard why should I pay it? Is there VAT on council tax? - probably.... The VAT applied to a Pleasure Boat Licence by C&RT is a legitimate element of the overall cost of the Licence, because licence fees do attract VAT. The VAT applied to the fraudulent 'Rivers only Licence', however, is most certainly NOT a legitimate element of the overall cost of what is in truth a registration fee, and registration fees do NOT attract VAT. Everyone who has ever bought one of C&RT's fraudulent 'Rivers only Licences' is in fact entitled to a refund of the VAT element of the fee paid, plus a refund of the excess charged over and above the 60% of the Pleasure Boat Licence (PBL) fee that C&RT are limited by law to charging for a Pleasure Boat (registration) Certificate due to C&RT calculating the fraudulent 'Rivers only Licence' fee on 60% of a PBL fee which has already had VAT applied and added to it.
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Post by Trina on Feb 15, 2019 20:23:45 GMT
Forty years ago I was young and lovely ……. So was I...😐
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Post by metanoia on Feb 15, 2019 20:27:22 GMT
Forty years ago I was young and lovely ……. So was I...😐 Nice ladies v spice gurls, Mrs BB?? Glad I'm old x
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Post by metanoia on Feb 15, 2019 20:34:43 GMT
Forty years ago I was young and lovely ……. I dare say, but if you worked for forty years, what use is it, you can't walk down the street without having to put your hand in your pocket. oops, Glenmorangie moment, sorry about that, it was a liquid lunch too.......................!................ Know now I SHOULD have worked it, Socks.... Silly me, kept it precious - so still paying my way x
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2019 20:39:27 GMT
Forty years ago I was young and lovely ……. So was I...😐 In fairness so was I ... well young anyway Rog
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Post by JohnV on Feb 15, 2019 20:43:41 GMT
In fairness so was I ... well young anyway Rog I still believe I am young ......... well until I look in a mirror ....... or try and get out of my chair
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