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Post by JohnV on Feb 22, 2019 17:36:05 GMT
I did find this ironic when earlier today Donkey had said: "It had fuck all to do with you until you made it about you." Irony seems lost on you... it can steel up on you if'n you ain't careful
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2019 17:47:21 GMT
Is that a dig at me? No I had lots of other people mind, such as church goers who turn up in their new Volvo and wring their hands in fake sorrow at the starving in the world, the type who say "It's terrible, isn't it?" but wouldn't house a homeless person in their own home, nor give a lift to a hitch hiker. I have you down as 'alright' - but still you can be a (post cut short as bus won't drive itself!)... I think you are an arse ! You spout your judgemental opinions (e.g. the church goer above) with no consideration or thought, expressing what is merely your opinion, to be incontrovertible fact. You honestly have no idea in the above example what people do, or seek to do, to help, you ALWAYS focus on the worst possible outcome. You quote internet loons without any editorial control, leaving one to assume you share the often foul opinions. On occasion you have made posts that have been deeply hurtful, and in the real world could have earned you a slap. But thunderboat is a wonderful place, with room for us all. There ... I feel better with that off my chest. Rog
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Post by twbm2 on Feb 22, 2019 20:43:12 GMT
I personally have no problems with irritating twats ..... I do my best to be one on some occasions ...... people disagreeing with you often make you rethink your arguments ....not necessarily changing your mind ..... but at least think about things more carefully Yes. I like to come to the table and bash things out. Of course I come with my views, but I am willing to jot things down on paper and go through them one by one, and take other people's viewpoints 'on board' and process them. I don't mind a 'heated' discussion with a bit of fist banging on the table and some swearing, go to it by all means! But do try to come to some conclusion which will determine how you intend to continue. This "I can't hear you!" (putting fingers in ears) and "Sir, You are a racist!" is tiresome and leads to nowhere. You say 'tiresome' inferring it happens often , perhaps the word is 'consensus' ..
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Post by Clinton Cool on Feb 23, 2019 7:31:27 GMT
I do think that the passing of responsibility from the individual to the state has gone too far. Given that probably 90% of countries operate systems that reflect my thinking the world must be filled with twats. Either that, or maybe you've never left these shores and experienced how families and communities can work. Instead we have the long arm of big brother enabling folk to pack their elderly relatives into 'homes', passing their 'burden'onto the state. Big brother decides who is worthy of help and who isn't. You're elderly, disabled or a parent of children? You're worthy, please have a home and money to help you with those day to day difficulties, whether you need it or not. Not in a favoured group? you're not worthy, please piss off, go and live in a cardboard box somewhere. And then all the benefit recipients, now feeling entitled, loathe big brother because the handouts aren't large enough. They will never be large enough.
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Post by patty on Feb 23, 2019 7:47:28 GMT
My son when walking across Borneo and PNG was overwhelmed by the generosity of people who had little but gave generously ...ok there were still those who applied 'white mans tax' and one memorable occasion where things went very wrong but in the main these folks cared for one another. The lads were offered shelter and food by people who had barely enough to live on. It changed his thinking. We now in the main rely on the state to look after our elderly/infirm/homeless. Two of my kids have already mentioned old folks home to me when I cannot cope...it may be a joke but I am not amused.. When I was young my great gran was looked after by my gran in a tiny one bed bungalow ...gran slept in her lounge/dining room But I did move in with mum when she needed care..I would never have relied on the state ... When I was on a cruise once a man was bragging about how he'd managed to get his mums money and the state were funding her in a home....he was planning World Cruise...I got up and walked out... I don't think the 'State' should fund unless people have nothing. Families now are so widespread that 'Community and care' doesn't exist in many places
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Post by Clinton Cool on Feb 23, 2019 7:51:36 GMT
My son when walking across Borneo and PNG was overwhelmed by the generosity of people who had little but gave generously ...ok there were still those who applied 'white mans tax' and one memorable occasion where things went very wrong but in the main these folks cared for one another. The lads were offered shelter and food by people who had barely enough to live on. It changed his thinking. We now in the main rely on the state to look after our elderly/infirm/homeless. Two of my kids have already mentioned old folks home to me when I cannot cope...it may be a joke but I am not amused.. When I was young my great gran was looked after by my gran in a tiny one bed bungalow ...gran slept in her lounge/dining room But I did move in with mum when she needed care..I would never have relied on the state ... When I was on a cruise once a man was bragging about how he'd managed to get his mums money and the state were funding her in a home....he was planning World Cruise...I got up and walked out... I don't think the 'State' should fund unless people have nothing. Families now are so widespread that 'Community and care' doesn't exist in many places Nice post but watch out, donkey might be along soon to call you a twat.
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Post by patty on Feb 23, 2019 17:47:31 GMT
My son when walking across Borneo and PNG was overwhelmed by the generosity of people who had little but gave generously ...ok there were still those who applied 'white mans tax' and one memorable occasion where things went very wrong but in the main these folks cared for one another. The lads were offered shelter and food by people who had barely enough to live on. It changed his thinking. We now in the main rely on the state to look after our elderly/infirm/homeless. Two of my kids have already mentioned old folks home to me when I cannot cope...it may be a joke but I am not amused.. When I was young my great gran was looked after by my gran in a tiny one bed bungalow ...gran slept in her lounge/dining room But I did move in with mum when she needed care..I would never have relied on the state ... When I was on a cruise once a man was bragging about how he'd managed to get his mums money and the state were funding her in a home....he was planning World Cruise...I got up and walked out... I don't think the 'State' should fund unless people have nothing. Families now are so widespread that 'Community and care' doesn't exist in many places Nice post but watch out, donkey might be along soon to call you a twat. I can live with that.....reading sons diaries really mind blasting...I felt quite humbled at how people opened up their homes to these 2 strange white men
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Post by Clinton Cool on Feb 23, 2019 23:46:25 GMT
Nice post but watch out, donkey might be along soon to call you a twat. I can live with that.....reading sons diaries really mind blasting...I felt quite humbled at how people opened up their homes to these 2 strange white men This can be the way when people's natural kindness and helpfulness, their humanity, remains, rather than this being dulled or taken away altogether by a large welfare state. I was drugged and robbed in Thailand, everything I had was taken, bar a bottle of water and some clothes. The care and generosity I received from local people, all of whom were much poorer than me, was remarkable. I ate for nothing in a local restaurant. The owner said I could pay him if I got money before I left, otherwise it was no problem. This guy visited me in my room to offer this, I'd never met him before, or eaten in his restaurant. Others knocked on my door, complete strangers, having heard the news, asking if they could help in any way. Such was this kindness and generosity that within a day the shock of what had happened left me completely to be replaced with a warm feeling and a new faith in humanity. I was fortunate that a month or two later in the Philippines I was able to help a stranger myself, it felt perfectly natural. Meanwhile back in big brother land: people generally don't want to help, their natural generosity dulled by an ever encroaching state. Who can blame them for this, they pay a lot of tax to big brother to enable things to be as they are. People get angry, say the government aren't doing enough, but don't offer a spare room in their house to a homeless person. That's the government's job innit. Many rich celebrities engage in this anger, but do sod all to help anyone themselves. As for someone who was robbed and left with nothing, he or she would have to fill in a long form, computer would then decide whether he or she was 'entitled' to state aid. Chances are computer would say no, unless children were in tow. So this idea, that the state can somehow provide for every individual's needs, is a failure. It's a failure now and would still fail if funding for it were doubled. It's an out of control monster with zero humanity.
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Post by bodger on Feb 24, 2019 8:39:40 GMT
Sympathetic behaviour can even be found in Central London.
A few years ago my daughter was living in Kensal Green, in an area almost exclusively populated by blacks. Whenever we visited the locals would always greet us on the street in a genuine neighbourly manner. One night, returning home late on the Tube she was walking the 300m to her front door when she was mugged by a young black carrying a knife. She screamed her head off and he got away with her handbag. Even though it was nearly midnight several doors opened and a couple of middle-aged men came out to ask if they could help. They saw her safely to her door. The next day several of her black neighbours came to her door offering their apologies and asking what they could do to help. One guy who appeared quite authoritarian told her that he though he knew the culprit and he would be receiving a bit of neighbourhood justice.
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Post by twbm2 on Feb 24, 2019 12:26:51 GMT
You say 'tiresome' inferring it happens often , perhaps the word is 'consensus' .. You strike me as being a rather boring person with a nasty streak. Goodbye. I believe there is only one appropriate response to this on TB: Twat.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2019 15:01:25 GMT
Sympathetic behaviour can even be found in Central London. A few years ago my daughter was living in Kensal Green, in an area almost exclusively populated by blacks. Whenever we visited the locals would always greet us on the street in a genuine neighbourly manner. One night, returning home late on the Tube she was walking the 300m to her front door when she was mugged by a young black carrying a knife. She screamed her head off and he got away with her handbag. Even though it was nearly midnight several doors opened and a couple of middle-aged men came out to ask if they could help. They saw her safely to her door. The next day several of her black neighbours came to her door offering their apologies and asking what they could do to help. One guy who appeared quite authoritarian told her that he though he knew the culprit and he would be receiving a bit of neighbourhood justice. That must have been quite a while ago as Kensal Green, while having a high population of carribean blacks, It is also packed with irritating middle class whites who buy organic food and go jogging with pushchairs with big wheels which they call "buggies". Just sayin'
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Post by bodger on Feb 24, 2019 15:57:36 GMT
That must have been quite a while ago as Kensal Green, while having a high population of carribean blacks, It is also packed with irritating middle class whites who buy organic food and go jogging with pushchairs with big wheels which they call "buggies". Just sayin' are you perhaps thinking of Kensal Rise? She lived in Hiley Road, Kensal Green, just off the Harrow Road, near the Tube station of the same name and the cemetery. Very black.
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Post by JohnV on Feb 24, 2019 16:01:31 GMT
Areas do change with the most amazing speed ..... Friend of mine and his partner lived in .... a nice little area called St Epney Green ..... he called it that a few times before I fell in
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