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Post by naughtyfox on Mar 13, 2019 12:11:08 GMT
There is no point leaving the EU to then be ruled by a Conservative party that is clueless. My word ..... can you think of a party that has not shown itself to be clueless in this unholy mess ? My opinion of politicians, never very high, is just about as low as is possible at the moment. I think they should all be lined up and shot, every single politician we have now - as a deterrent to those who will come behind them. It's embarrassing to be British with this current crowd of shite. One in prison still claiming her salary, ffs!
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Post by naughtyfox on Mar 13, 2019 12:13:32 GMT
I have come to the conclusion that we do need another referendum, with two questions leave with Mays deal or WTO rules, the remainers lost the first one and parliament needs guiding on the current situation, so the original decision doesnt need revisiting at all And will those who voted "remain" in 2016 be allowed to vote? After all, they lost, so why should they be allowed to influence the detail of the result? What about Brits abroad? Why wasn't I allowed to vote? It's so unfair!
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Post by naughtyfox on Mar 13, 2019 12:14:26 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2019 12:25:00 GMT
And will those who voted "remain" in 2016 be allowed to vote? After all, they lost, so why should they be allowed to influence the detail of the result? What about Brits abroad? Why wasn't I allowed to vote? It's so unfair! I was allowed to vote (and did) and I was living overseas at the time and had been doing so for quite a few years. Why weren't you allowed to vote? Did you register to vote? I did.
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Post by Clinton Cool on Mar 13, 2019 13:15:27 GMT
We know that none of the 'expert' negative predictions of what would follow if 'leave' was chosen in the referendum came about. For example: house prices did not crash, there was no emergency budget to raise taxes, the economy did not tank, quite the opposite. A logical and reasonable thinker can only conclude that either those forecasting the above things are really shit at their jobs, were biased in favour of a particular result, or a combination of the two. The same logical and reasonable thinker won't accept as facts the deluge of further negative predictions made between then and now. Only a fool would accept these as facts.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2019 13:29:21 GMT
We know that none of the 'expert' negative predictions of what would follow if 'leave' was chosen in the referendum came about. For example: house prices did not crash, there was no emergency budget to raise taxes, the economy did not tank, quite the opposite. A logical and reasonable thinker can only conclude that either those forecasting the above things are really shit at their jobs, were biased in favour of a particular result, or a combination of the two. The same logical and reasonable thinker won't accept as facts the deluge of further negative predictions made between then and now. Only a fool would accept these as facts. We haven't left yet.
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Post by IainS on Mar 13, 2019 13:36:53 GMT
The best part of this is it shows what an unworkable nightmare Scottish independence would be. Far worse than this pile of crap! It is hard to see how Nicola and crew could create a greater FUBAR than May and co. (Although Westminster would probably not be as accommodating as the EU)
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Post by Telemachus on Mar 13, 2019 13:37:39 GMT
We know that none of the 'expert' negative predictions of what would follow if 'leave' was chosen in the referendum came about. For example: house prices did not crash, there was no emergency budget to raise taxes, the economy did not tank, quite the opposite. A logical and reasonable thinker can only conclude that either those forecasting the above things are really shit at their jobs, were biased in favour of a particular result, or a combination of the two. The same logical and reasonable thinker won't accept as facts the deluge of further negative predictions made between then and now. Only a fool would accept these as facts. May have escaped your notice but we haven’t actually left yet!
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Post by IainS on Mar 13, 2019 13:39:09 GMT
The links work for me ...
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Post by Mr Stabby on Mar 13, 2019 13:39:11 GMT
We know that none of the 'expert' negative predictions of what would follow if 'leave' was chosen in the referendum came about. For example: house prices did not crash, there was no emergency budget to raise taxes, the economy did not tank, quite the opposite. A logical and reasonable thinker can only conclude that either those forecasting the above things are really shit at their jobs, were biased in favour of a particular result, or a combination of the two. The same logical and reasonable thinker won't accept as facts the deluge of further negative predictions made between then and now. Only a fool would accept these as facts. We haven't left yet.
I believe Ricco was referring to predictions made about the effects of the referendum, should that vote result in a decision to leave the eu. "The Bank of England has warned for the first time that Britain could slide into recession in the aftermath of a vote to leave the EU in next month’s referendum. Governor Mark Carney also warned Brexit could knock the pound sharply lower, stoke inflation and raise unemployment. That would leave the Bank with a difficult balancing act as it decides whether to cut, hold or raise interest rates to counter opposing forces, Carney added. He said there were a range of possible scenarios for the economy in the event of Brexit and these “could possibly include a technical recession” – defined as two consecutive quarters of shrinking GDP. “ A vote to leave the EU could have material economic effects – on the exchange rate, on demand and on the economy’s supply potential – that could affect the appropriate setting of monetary policy,” Carney told a news conference".
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Post by peterboat on Mar 13, 2019 13:39:39 GMT
We know that none of the 'expert' negative predictions of what would follow if 'leave' was chosen in the referendum came about. For example: house prices did not crash, there was no emergency budget to raise taxes, the economy did not tank, quite the opposite. A logical and reasonable thinker can only conclude that either those forecasting the above things are really shit at their jobs, were biased in favour of a particular result, or a combination of the two. The same logical and reasonable thinker won't accept as facts the deluge of further negative predictions made between then and now. Only a fool would accept these as facts. We haven't left yet.
True but all these predictions were made if we decided to leave. Also lets look at the EU Italy in recession, Germany technically in recession, all southern EU countries within the eurozone in the do dah so why would we want to stay?
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Post by phil70 on Mar 13, 2019 13:40:55 GMT
We know that none of the 'expert' negative predictions of what would follow if 'leave' was chosen in the referendum came about. For example: house prices did not crash, there was no emergency budget to raise taxes, the economy did not tank, quite the opposite. A logical and reasonable thinker can only conclude that either those forecasting the above things are really shit at their jobs, were biased in favour of a particular result, or a combination of the two. The same logical and reasonable thinker won't accept as facts the deluge of further negative predictions made between then and now. Only a fool would accept these as facts. We haven't left yet.
Ricco only said if the referendum opted for leave. Phil
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Post by Telemachus on Mar 13, 2019 13:41:57 GMT
The best part of this is it shows what an unworkable nightmare Scottish independence would be. Far worse than this pile of crap! It is hard to see how Nicola and crew could create a greater FUBAR than May and co. (Although Westminster would probably not be as accommodating as the EU) The main problem with Brexit as far as I can see, relates to the border between N and S Ireland. How much worse would it be when a border was needed between Scotland (allegedly back in EU, although that is debatable) and England not in EU. How would that work? What currency would Scotland use? What would happen about the massive Scottish budget deficit? All these things glossed over by SNP in just the same way as these issues were glossed over in the Brexit referendum. Anyway, I was just prodding you. I am fed up with Brexit and don’t want to add to it by discussing the SNP’s manic desire to rule the world.
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Post by IainS on Mar 13, 2019 13:43:38 GMT
We know that none of the 'expert' negative predictions of what would follow if 'leave' was chosen in the referendum came about. For example: house prices did not crash, there was no emergency budget to raise taxes, the economy did not tank, quite the opposite. A logical and reasonable thinker can only conclude that either those forecasting the above things are really shit at their jobs, were biased in favour of a particular result, or a combination of the two. The same logical and reasonable thinker won't accept as facts the deluge of further negative predictions made between then and now. Only a fool would accept these as facts. Did you actually read the links? None of them contained predictions.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2019 13:44:19 GMT
An unnecessary referendum, produced a shock result, and after two years of planning the negotiated deal (or rather the best the EU were prepared to concede to us) is rejected largely by Rees Mogg and his group of anti EU tories, leaving us with a vote in parliament today, that if passed (and it will be) will prevent us EVER leaving the EU WITHOUT a negotiated settlement, and a vote Thursday to extend article 50 for three months, which MUST carry a proviso of WHY we wish for the extension ... 1. To hold another referendum 2. To arrange to revoke article 50 3. To try to renegotiate a new deal with an EU who have consistently said this is the one and only deal on offer.
Hands up if anyone truly thinks we are leaving the EU.
How in god's name has politics achieved this all time low of ineptitude, and where do we go from here?
Rog
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