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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2016 7:52:03 GMT
I wonder why they think they can get away with charging a full £75 (26%) more for what is obviously the exact same thing as that which is in the OP, just branded differently. Because they can I guess. It's called making a profit. But it does seem as though they would negotiate on price. www.midlandchandlers.co.uk/page/forms/price%20match.aspx?pid=HS-235I would wager they would come back with "sorry that's not the same stove" (Because of the different branding). Any sensible person would then tell them to stick it and buy the one in the OP.
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Post by JohnV on Aug 1, 2016 7:52:29 GMT
I wonder why they think they can get away with charging a full £75 (26%) more for what is obviously the exact same thing as that which is in the OP, just branded differently. Because they can I guess. They do say its a "starting price" in the OP Martin,so maybe its not all its cracked up to be value wise "Yes Sir, the glass in the door is an optional extra ........... that will be £100 extra, Oh, you want the version with air vents that work"
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Post by peterboat on Aug 1, 2016 8:19:06 GMT
Looks ok good price I would go for it. I like others dont like cast iron stoves boats are rattly things which can break the nuts and bolts holding a cast iron stove together! The last thing you want on a winter cruise is your stove falling apart whilst its lit! Plenty of threads on the other channel about this happening with squirrels. I have a Rayburn royal on my boat and think its the business bought secondhand from ebay for £200. I also have a bubble stove in the bedroom again a great bit of kit Its kero or diesel fired and at the moment has been in use a couple of nights last week!!
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Post by quaysider on Aug 1, 2016 8:41:51 GMT
Thanks fellas - all a bit reassuring so that's good.
Midland have already price matched the inverter to give them credit so it might be worth a punt... then again, tbh, I've had very helpful chat this morning with a Chap called Jason from Northern Ireland ("so he is!") at Gr8 fires... he suggested I opt for the free 4 to 5 inch converter then they'll configure a 5" twin wall flu kit from there...
I can't work out if it's as nice as the morso's telescopic kit though.
In regards securing it - could someone confirm HOW secure it needs to be - ie, I was thinking of constructing a couple of "foot plates" from box/angle to it can't move out of them... DOES it HAVE to be bolted "down" too? - or is sitting in a shoe enough?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2016 8:47:28 GMT
Thanks fellas - all a bit reassuring so that's good. Midland have already price matched the inverter to give them credit so it might be worth a punt... then again, tbh, I've had very helpful chat this morning with a Chap called Jason from Northern Ireland ("so he is!") at Gr8 fires... he suggested I opt for the free 4 to 5 inch converter then they'll configure a 5" twin wall flu kit from there... I can't work out if it's as nice as the morso's telescopic kit though. In regards securing it - could someone confirm HOW secure it needs to be - ie, I was thinking of constructing a couple of "foot plates" from box/angle to it can't move out of them... DOES it HAVE to be bolted "down" too? - or is sitting in a shoe enough? My understanding is that it has to fixed in a way that avoids any possibility of it tilting. How that is actually achieved can I suspect vary. But I am happy to be corrected. However your proposal doesn't sound as if that would prevent tilting.
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Post by Telemachus on Aug 1, 2016 8:57:42 GMT
Thanks fellas - all a bit reassuring so that's good. Midland have already price matched the inverter to give them credit so it might be worth a punt... then again, tbh, I've had very helpful chat this morning with a Chap called Jason from Northern Ireland ("so he is!") at Gr8 fires... he suggested I opt for the free 4 to 5 inch converter then they'll configure a 5" twin wall flu kit from there... I can't work out if it's as nice as the morso's telescopic kit though. In regards securing it - could someone confirm HOW secure it needs to be - ie, I was thinking of constructing a couple of "foot plates" from box/angle to it can't move out of them... DOES it HAVE to be bolted "down" too? - or is sitting in a shoe enough? BSS says "Non‐portable appliances must be incapable of unintended movement in any direction." which an examiner may well take to include vertical movement. Our's is screwed to the hearth. Anyway I'd be sure to review BS 8511 which you can download via this link www.manchester.gov.uk/directory_record/162241/british_standards_online/category/1216/business_and_careersIf if you are building your boat to be RCD compliant you need to be familiar with all the relevant ISOs etc and they can, I think, all be viewed from that link to the BS online library.
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Post by quaysider on Aug 1, 2016 11:13:44 GMT
BSS says "Non‐portable appliances must be incapable of unintended movement in any direction." which an examiner may well take to include vertical movement. Our's is screwed to the hearth. Anyway I'd be sure to review BS 8511 which you can download via this link www.manchester.gov.uk/directory_record/162241/british_standards_online/category/1216/business_and_careersIf if you are building your boat to be RCD compliant you need to be familiar with all the relevant ISOs etc and they can, I think, all be viewed from that link to the BS online library. I thought it might need bolting down - with it being steel though it shouldn't be TOO Much of a pain in the bum to drill and bolt to the feet plates I build into the hearth. Thanks for the link - we're NOT going down the RCD route... 2 schools of thought here; If we do manage to run it as a hotel (ish) boat in a few years, it'll need to be Higher rate BSS anyway and I don't foresee any reason why we'll need to sell it on within 5 years of completion anyway... the house has enough equity in to use as a comfort blanket. There's a local (ish) BSS guy on my list to speak with but I'm saving my calls up so as not to drive him mad/cost us a fortune...
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Post by Telemachus on Aug 1, 2016 11:25:45 GMT
Ok, but in my view it's best to know what the standards are so that at least you know to what degree you are not complying with them! I think it helps to look at the standard and then think "why do they want it done like that?". And if compliance is no more expensive than doing it another way then why not do it the right way!
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Post by JohnV on Aug 1, 2016 13:41:11 GMT
Ok, but in my view it's best to know what the standards are so that at least you know to what degree you are not complying with them! I think it helps to look at the standard and then think "why do they want it done like that?". And if compliance is no more expensive than doing it another way then why not do it the right way!you're dead right with that. (even if you do sometimes look at some regs and think to yourself "they're having a giraffe")
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Post by peterboat on Aug 1, 2016 17:41:01 GMT
Its always better to do the job properly the first time rather than the second. Flue wise it can still be a single wall flue from my understanding the double wall one is just a recommendation
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Post by Higgs on Aug 1, 2016 18:35:14 GMT
Things that I'd want from a stove: 1/ fine and precise adjust of the airflow so that it's easy to set the right amount of air to keep it in overnight. 2/ Door glass that doesn't soot up as soon as you shut the fire down for the night (and then never clears again until you clean it). 3/ good riddling system with a fairly large ash pan so it doesn't need emptying everyday when burning coal. 4/ doesn't corrode or crack after a few years Our squirrel is good at 1/, bad at 2,3,4. For such an expensive stove the squirrel is really not that good IMO. If we need to get another stove I think I'll get a Woodwarm. We've got a big one at the gliding club and it's great. Steel, not cast. Not a budget option though - we're back to the inverter arguments again, cheap stoves are cheap for a reason! How does your stove rank in 1/ to 4/?If you don't know, I'd say you were taking a risk. People seem to like Boatman stoves but I've never used one. Sorry that you have some snags with the Squirrel. Mines older than 14 years and I couldn't say how much older, it wasn't new 14 years ago when I bought the boat. At beginning of last winter I fitted a newly made flue, took the old back-boiler out through the front and fitted a new boiler. Also renewed the fire bricks and the riddler. No cracks so far and I always fit flue with heat resistant silicon at the stove end and through the roof collar. The glass does get sooty, but that's ok, can't be bothered to clean it. I'd definitely buy another. Maybe the OP could look out for freaky friday. Should be in October at Midland Chandlers - 20% discounts.
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Post by quaysider on Aug 1, 2016 19:01:00 GMT
Its always better to do the job properly the first time rather than the second. Flue wise it can still be a single wall flue from my understanding the double wall one is just a recommendation That would be good - I'll HAVE to bite the bullet and double check that... I don't really like the twin wall as the radiated heat from the flu has a nice feel to it.
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Post by Mr Stabby on Aug 1, 2016 19:05:14 GMT
on the subject of stoves, I passed two boats today which had their stoves burning, and if it gets any colder I'm going to light mine up. and it's supposed to be August.
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Post by Higgs on Aug 1, 2016 19:43:46 GMT
Its always better to do the job properly the first time rather than the second. Flue wise it can still be a single wall flue from my understanding the double wall one is just a recommendation That would be good - I'll HAVE to bite the bullet and double check that... I don't really like the twin wall as the radiated heat from the flu has a nice feel to it. When I did eventually find a welder, I had 2 single skin flues made, one spare (I had a hard time finding the welder. 2 flues to save me that hassle again). The cost of these was £79 for the 4" nominal bore tube and £65 for the welder. Double skin flues for a Squirrel are eye-watering from the Chandlers - not far off the cost of the stove. Spares for the Squirrel can tend to be a bit pricey. The riddler for instance is about £34, and for another make - about £19, which incidentally was bigger. The back-boiler was £200. On the whole, I have few complaints about the stove itself.
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Post by Telemachus on Aug 1, 2016 20:19:39 GMT
Things that I'd want from a stove: 1/ fine and precise adjust of the airflow so that it's easy to set the right amount of air to keep it in overnight. 2/ Door glass that doesn't soot up as soon as you shut the fire down for the night (and then never clears again until you clean it). 3/ good riddling system with a fairly large ash pan so it doesn't need emptying everyday when burning coal. 4/ doesn't corrode or crack after a few years Our squirrel is good at 1/, bad at 2,3,4. For such an expensive stove the squirrel is really not that good IMO. If we need to get another stove I think I'll get a Woodwarm. We've got a big one at the gliding club and it's great. Steel, not cast. Not a budget option though - we're back to the inverter arguments again, cheap stoves are cheap for a reason! How does your stove rank in 1/ to 4/?If you don't know, I'd say you were taking a risk. People seem to like Boatman stoves but I've never used one. Sorry that you have some snags with the Squirrel. Mines older than 14 years and I couldn't say how much older, it wasn't new 14 years ago when I bought the boat. At beginning of last winter I fitted a newly made flue, took the old back-boiler out through the front and fitted a new boiler. Also renewed the fire bricks and the riddler. No cracks so far and I always fit flue with heat resistant silicon at the stove end and through the roof collar. The glass does get sooty, but that's ok, can't be bothered to clean it. I'd definitely buy another. Yes that's one of the things I don't like is that after the first night the glass is completely obscured and it never clears again on its own. The riddler tends to jam and anyway only gets rid of the ash around the central circular bit - lots of ash is left at the sides, back and front. So far our's hasn't cracked but it's only 5 years old. But there have been plenty of reports from people whose have. its not a bad stove, but it's not the best either and probably a bit overpriced.
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