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Post by TonyDunkley on Mar 25, 2019 7:13:40 GMT
Perhaps they should take the engine out and sit it on the stern deck for three weeks and see if that fixes it? This is, I believe, at least the third time you've repeated this misconceived and misleading twaddle after first implying some time ago that it was I who took Ricco's engine out of his boat quite unecessarily and left it standing on his aft deck for three weeks. You really must try to get at least some of the pertinent facts right before posting any more of your infantile garbage. I think it's time Ricco was invited to post a factual and truthful account of what actually transpired, including his odd and rather irrational obsession with completing the necessary repairs and getting his engine running whilst some of the parts needed weren't immediately obtainable in the UK because they were still on their way from Japan.
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Post by Clinton Cool on Mar 25, 2019 7:38:16 GMT
Why should they have their own insurance? The ship company's insurance company are the ones who fork out. As with passengers on my bus. Can children insure themselves? I know they can choose what gender to be but I suspect they are not permitted to sign an insurance contract. Which raises an interesting point. Do you have to change your signature if you are gender fluid? Mine is ABCrosby so not gender specific but there must be some people who use their givwen name so it could get technical. I guess the gender fluidity comes before the formation of the signature. Must stop posting as I am weaving about all over the river and its getting dark. I don't want to collide with Wallingford bridge! Interesting one that. Given that it's now acceptable (celebrated even?) to change ones mind about ones gender, perhaps those of us who are men (at the moment) could use this to our advantage. Given that insurance premiums are lower for women we could identify as women when renewing our policies. Then, whenever we drive, we could be woman, and men the rest of the time.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2019 7:41:47 GMT
I would be happy to be a part time woman if it saved me money. That's a great idea!
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Post by patty on Mar 25, 2019 7:47:11 GMT
Passengers on my bus are insured to the maximum! Haha! People who travel by bus or public transport don't take out insurance..if they fall and hurt themselves they r sorted by the health system of wherever they are then I presume they claim against bus company for injuries sustained... If u fall on a ship whilst on a cruise due to inclement weather/the ship pitching etc your own insurance comes into play..not the ship companies.. One terrible trip we had where so many injured due to Force 9/10 and we didn't get back to the port we should a whole fleet of ambulances waited at the dock..the air flights home etc were covered but my thoughts are really regarding the injuries/health related issues that occurred during the engine failure. If the ship doesn't get into some ports etc then they may offer sweetener but in many cases again its a clause you have on your own insurance that compensates for missed ports.. I'm just interested in how much is actually covered, one would hope everything but all the injuries/visits to sick bay etc. When you go sick bay on a ship first thing they want is insurance details...
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Post by Clinton Cool on Mar 25, 2019 8:10:07 GMT
Perhaps they should take the engine out and sit it on the stern deck for three weeks and see if that fixes it? This is, I believe, at least the third time you've repeated this misconceived and misleading twaddle after first implying some time ago that it was I who took Ricco's engine out of his boat quite unecessarily and left it standing on his aft deck for three weeks. You really must try to get at least some of the pertinent facts right before posting any more of your infantile garbage. I think it's time Ricco was invited to post a factual and truthful account of what actually transpired, including his odd and rather irrational obsession with completing the necessary repairs and getting his engine running whilst some of the parts needed weren't immediately obtainable in the UK because they were still on their way from Japan. OK, I'm happy to oblige, this has dragged on too long. I broke down at Middlewich, very close to the boatyard at King's Lock. The very obvious solution was to haul the boat to the yard (they are Vetus agents) and get whatever was wrong with it fixed. However, I'd had the misfortune of using the yard before. I didn't like the attitude of the owner at all. I posted a thread to this effect on this site. Tony very kindly offered to help me with the problem. He made many calls to me, and spent time looking for parts on the internet. After several days (can't remember exactly how many) Tony drove over to Middlewich. Tony suggested that I should take the engine out. This was for 2 reasons: 1/ it was highly likely that whatever was wrong with it couldn't be fixed in situ. 2/ Access in and around the engine was somewhat limited. Within our various conversations I mentioned that I knew little of the history of the engine other than that the previous owner, who had taken it in part exchange for a motor home and never used it, told me that the owner before him had had the engine rebuilt at some stage. This interested Tony. He then began to consider the possibility that the timing on the engine was out, and should be checked. Tony went away and left instructions on how I should prepare the engine for removal. I did this. The thinking was that Tony would come back over and we'd remove the engine, possibly using scaffold poles and the nearby lock. He'd then disassemble the engine and find out what the problem was. Some time went by. I decided to haul my boat through the lock and get King's lock to lift the engine out with a fork lift and put it on the rear deck, then haul the boat back to the mooring. The days passed. Tony had several personal issues that prevented him coming back over. 3 weeks had now passed since I'd broken down. I was becoming rather desperate to move. Not only was I fed up with being in Middlewich with a constant stream of lorries thundering past but more importantly, I had a serious illness in the family and wanted to move closer to my parents, who live in Stockport. This drove me to speak to the yard about doing the work. During our conversation the matter of timing was raised. The yard told me that the timing on this engine is gear driven. If the engine was working previously there was nothing wrong with the timing. It cannot slip, in decades working with Vetus engines they had never known it slip. Vince arrived when the engine was on my deck. I explained all of this to him. I hauled the boat back through the lock and waited for 2 days while the yard did the work. The problem was stuck piston rings and blown head gasket. I already had the gasket, off Ebay, it took 3 days to arrive from Germany. I recommissioned the engine after the yard dropped it in and off I went. That's it.
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Post by bargemast on Mar 25, 2019 9:02:11 GMT
This is, I believe, at least the third time you've repeated this misconceived and misleading twaddle after first implying some time ago that it was I who took Ricco's engine out of his boat quite unecessarily and left it standing on his aft deck for three weeks. You really must try to get at least some of the pertinent facts right before posting any more of your infantile garbage. I think it's time Ricco was invited to post a factual and truthful account of what actually transpired, including his odd and rather irrational obsession with completing the necessary repairs and getting his engine running whilst some of the parts needed weren't immediately obtainable in the UK because they were still on their way from Japan. OK, I'm happy to oblige, this has dragged on too long. I broke down at Middlewich, very close to the boatyard at King's Lock. The very obvious solution was to haul the boat to the yard (they are Vetus agents) and get whatever was wrong with it fixed. However, I'd had the misfortune of using the yard before. I didn't like the attitude of the owner at all. I posted a thread to this effect on this site. Tony very kindly offered to help me with the problem. He made many calls to me, and spent time looking for parts on the internet. After several days (can't remember exactly how many) Tony drove over to Middlewich. Tony suggested that I should take the engine out. This was for 2 reasons: 1/ it was highly likely that whatever was wrong with it couldn't be fixed in situ. 2/ Access in and around the engine was somewhat limited. Within our various conversations I mentioned that I knew little of the history of the engine other than that the previous owner, who had taken it in part exchange for a motor home and never used it, told me that the owner before him had had the engine rebuilt at some stage. This interested Tony. He then began to consider the possibility that the timing on the engine was out, and should be checked. Tony went away and left instructions on how I should prepare the engine for removal. I did this. The thinking was that Tony would come back over and we'd remove the engine, possibly using scaffold poles and the nearby lock. He'd then disassemble the engine and find out what the problem was. Some time went by. I decided to haul my boat through the lock and get King's lock to lift the engine out with a fork lift and put it on the rear deck, then haul the boat back to the mooring. The days passed. Tony had several personal issues that prevented him coming back over. 3 weeks had now passed since I'd broken down. I was becoming rather desperate to move. Not only was I fed up with being in Middlewich with a constant stream of lorries thundering past but more importantly, I had a serious illness in the family and wanted to move closer to my parents, who live in Stockport. This drove me to speak to the yard about doing the work. During our conversation the matter of timing was raised. The yard told me that the timing on this engine is gear driven. If the engine was working previously there was nothing wrong with the timing. It cannot slip, in decades working with Vetus engines they had never known it slip. Vince arrived when the engine was on my deck. I explained all of this to him. I hauled the boat back through the lock and waited for 2 days while the yard did the work. The problem was stuck piston rings and blown head gasket. I already had the gasket, off Ebay, it took 3 days to arrive from Germany. I recommissioned the engine after the yard dropped it in and off I went. That's it. I'm glad that you have a working engine again Ricco. If I remember well Tony's not coming back was due to him being too ill to come, it's hard to blame someone for being ill, you don't get ill on purpose normally. The yard surely saved time with your engine being removed already, as I presume that for dealing with the stuck piston rings they would have had to remove the engine to take out the pistons to replace them (the rings) and clean out the grooves. If you go to a big workshop with several mechanics, if one is ill for a few days, they may put another guy on the job, but I'm sure that you knew that Tony didn't have anyone to replace him just like that. I'm sure that it has been a most unpleasant time for you waiting with urgent family stuff to do, but in fairness, I don't think that Tony's illness is a good reason for putting all the blame on him. Peter.
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Post by Clinton Cool on Mar 25, 2019 9:10:51 GMT
OK, I'm happy to oblige, this has dragged on too long. I broke down at Middlewich, very close to the boatyard at King's Lock. The very obvious solution was to haul the boat to the yard (they are Vetus agents) and get whatever was wrong with it fixed. However, I'd had the misfortune of using the yard before. I didn't like the attitude of the owner at all. I posted a thread to this effect on this site. Tony very kindly offered to help me with the problem. He made many calls to me, and spent time looking for parts on the internet. After several days (can't remember exactly how many) Tony drove over to Middlewich. Tony suggested that I should take the engine out. This was for 2 reasons: 1/ it was highly likely that whatever was wrong with it couldn't be fixed in situ. 2/ Access in and around the engine was somewhat limited. Within our various conversations I mentioned that I knew little of the history of the engine other than that the previous owner, who had taken it in part exchange for a motor home and never used it, told me that the owner before him had had the engine rebuilt at some stage. This interested Tony. He then began to consider the possibility that the timing on the engine was out, and should be checked. Tony went away and left instructions on how I should prepare the engine for removal. I did this. The thinking was that Tony would come back over and we'd remove the engine, possibly using scaffold poles and the nearby lock. He'd then disassemble the engine and find out what the problem was. Some time went by. I decided to haul my boat through the lock and get King's lock to lift the engine out with a fork lift and put it on the rear deck, then haul the boat back to the mooring. The days passed. Tony had several personal issues that prevented him coming back over. 3 weeks had now passed since I'd broken down. I was becoming rather desperate to move. Not only was I fed up with being in Middlewich with a constant stream of lorries thundering past but more importantly, I had a serious illness in the family and wanted to move closer to my parents, who live in Stockport. This drove me to speak to the yard about doing the work. During our conversation the matter of timing was raised. The yard told me that the timing on this engine is gear driven. If the engine was working previously there was nothing wrong with the timing. It cannot slip, in decades working with Vetus engines they had never known it slip. Vince arrived when the engine was on my deck. I explained all of this to him. I hauled the boat back through the lock and waited for 2 days while the yard did the work. The problem was stuck piston rings and blown head gasket. I already had the gasket, off Ebay, it took 3 days to arrive from Germany. I recommissioned the engine after the yard dropped it in and off I went. That's it. I'm glad that you have a working engine again Ricco. If I remember well Tony's not coming back was due to him being to ill to come, it's hard to blame someone for being ill, you don't get ill on purpose normally. The yard surely saved time with your engine being removed already, as I presume that for dealing with the stuck piston rings they would have had to remove the engine to take out the pistons to replace them (the rings) and clean out the grooves. If you go to a big workshop with several mechanics, if one is ill for a few days, they may put another guy on the job, but I'm sure that you knew that Tony didn't have anyone to replace him just like that. I'm sure that it has been a most unpleasant time for you waiting with urgent family stuff to do, but in fairness, I don't think that Tony's illness is a good reason for putting all the blame on him. Peter. Hi Peter I agree with pretty much everything you say. Only thing is, if you read what I posted again, I haven't blamed anyone, just stated the facts as I remember them. The only dispute between anyone really was as to the likelihood (or not) of there being a problem with the timing. I might have a view on this but it would only be a hunch, I have no knowledge or experience of such things. Otherwise it was just a set of set of circumstances, nobody chooses to be ill, I agree.
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Post by bargemast on Mar 25, 2019 9:26:19 GMT
I'm glad that you have a working engine again Ricco. If I remember well Tony's not coming back was due to him being to ill to come, it's hard to blame someone for being ill, you don't get ill on purpose normally. The yard surely saved time with your engine being removed already, as I presume that for dealing with the stuck piston rings they would have had to remove the engine to take out the pistons to replace them (the rings) and clean out the grooves. If you go to a big workshop with several mechanics, if one is ill for a few days, they may put another guy on the job, but I'm sure that you knew that Tony didn't have anyone to replace him just like that. I'm sure that it has been a most unpleasant time for you waiting with urgent family stuff to do, but in fairness, I don't think that Tony's illness is a good reason for putting all the blame on him. Peter. Hi Peter I agree with pretty much everything you say. Only thing is, if you read what I posted again, I haven't blamed anyone, just stated the facts as I remember them. The only dispute between anyone really was as to the likelihood (or not) of there being a problem with the timing. I might have a view on this but it would only be a hunch, I have no knowledge or experience of such things. Otherwise it was just a set of set of circumstances, nobody chooses to be ill, I agree. Sorry Ricco, I didn't write my message clear enough, I didn't say that it was you who blamed Tony, but our friend Vince never stopped blaming Tony for everything, which was, and isn't fair, as his illness was the reason for him not coming back. About the timing, Tony probably wasn't familiar with your type of engine, but once the engine was out, which surely would have been needed to do the work on it anyway, if he'd come back, he would have worked that out in 5 minutes himself too. Tony seems to be a very kind and helpfull man, always willing and ready to advise people with navigation or technical help, I've never met the man, but that's the idea I have from him through TB. It would be nice if we didn't have to read the endless blaming story about your engine, and really hope that Vince can put that behind him, it wasn't his problem, and you are man enough to complain about it yourself if you would feel the need (I would think). Atb, Peter.
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Post by thebfg on Mar 25, 2019 21:19:50 GMT
I thought this long running saga had turned a corner and their posts were getting quite humourous. I must of been wrong. I was just glad you got it sorted.
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Post by phil70 on Mar 27, 2019 10:29:49 GMT
Passengers on my bus are insured to the maximum! Haha! Guess they would need to be 🤗 Phil
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Post by thebfg on Mar 28, 2019 17:30:13 GMT
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Post by naughtyfox on Mar 28, 2019 17:39:37 GMT
Well, that's a bad design, eh? Name and shame that designer. Never heard such rubbish.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2019 18:11:09 GMT
Probably a publicity stunt. Even though it was a fairly negative outcome I bet people are now subconsciously aware of the brand and more likely to use it in future if they have the misfortune to be considering a cruise.
It was rough weather yes perhaps it was getting a bit hairy so why not make a news story out of it.
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Post by Jim on Apr 4, 2019 9:45:20 GMT
Well, that's a bad design, eh? Name and shame that designer. Never heard such rubbish. If they could just find a supply of hardly used engine oil.....
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Post by twbm2 on Apr 4, 2019 12:54:19 GMT
Edited - 'Read the whole thread before you post' error.
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