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Post by bargemast on Mar 29, 2019 7:07:30 GMT
The problem with external pipe cooling is if it gets damaged ..... particularly if you are not aware of it at the time and you are running in salt water. It can end up with a considerable proportion of your nice clean, anti freeze dosed cooling water becoming rather mucky salty water. (know of a workboat it happened to ...... did not do the aluminium parts of the engine any favours) I think that's the problem ..... all systems have their advantages and disadvantages Yes John, of course when these pipes get seriously damaged so bad that they leak, then you're in trouble. On several of the barges that I've owned in the past, I've had pipes, and never had a problem with them. They were 1 1/2" pipes and I replaced them when they were 8 years old (2 insurance inspections) to prevent problems as much as possible. On workboats with pipes, they normally are protected in such a way that it's "almost" impossible to damage them, if their installation is well done. Cooling with these external pipes is a bit of an old, but still good, system, and most of these systems have been replaced by box-coolers nowadays. Peter.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2019 9:53:09 GMT
I was chatting with a friend of a friend last night.
He is the owner of a cruiser on the Broads, which he described as a Freeman, with a 1.6 inboard Ford Motta.
He told me this was a Ford Cortina engine, but that Ford produced them directly to the boat industry already marinised.
I wondered if @gazza or anyone else were aware of these engines, and their thoughts on them.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2019 10:20:37 GMT
I was chatting with a friend of a friend last night. He is the owner of a cruiser on the Broads, which he described as a Freeman, with a 1.6 inboard Ford Motta. He told me this was a Ford Cortina engine, but that Ford produced them directly to the boat industry already marinised. I wondered if @gazza or anyone else were aware of these engines, and their thoughts on them. Rog Depends on the age of the boat as to what unit it had - early boats had pre crossflow engines, later ones did indeed have the crossfow as found in the 'Tina, Capri etc. Watermota marinised the engines not Ford History of the WaterMota Engines WaterMota have been producing marinised engines since 1911, ever changing and modernising their products, they have gone on to become main distributors for DooSan and Westerbeke engines. Having produced their famous Sea Wolf, Sea Tiger and Sea Leopard range of marine petrol engines, WaterMota passed the manufacture and supply of spare parts on to Sheridan Marine. Who, have years of experience with these engines, as many thousands of them were fitted in the Freeman Cruisers range. This not only allowed the supply to continue but also to be expanded so that other boats, such as Birchwoods, Camper & Nicholson 32s and many other classic boats were able to source WaterMota spare parts. Similar Ford Based Marine Engines Other manufacturers marinsed Ford engines, particularily Parsons, CT Marine and Wortham Blake, many of the WaterMota based parts can be utilised on these models too. Sheridan Marine stock a range of parts for these marinised engines too. www.sheridanmarine.com/watermota
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Post by phil70 on Mar 29, 2019 10:24:45 GMT
A pal of mine had one of these in his Seamaster but swapped it for a diesel simply because of the problem of getting petrol on the Broads. Phil
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2019 10:30:53 GMT
A pal of mine had one of these in his Seamaster but swapped it for a diesel simply because of the problem of getting petrol on the Broads. Phil The 105e based engine is very economical in a Freeman - no help when the boatyards have stopped stocking petrol though π π€¦ββοΈ
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2019 10:48:54 GMT
The petrol Watermota engines are directly cooled btw - water straight from the river/canal being pumped around the engine and into the exhaust when it's completed its work. No heat exchanger to look after
Problems can be had with Number 4 water jacket silting up.
Later ones had a bypass thermostat and can, with a bit of farting about be used to heat domestic water up to around tepid/lukewarm!
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Post by Andyberg on Mar 29, 2019 11:39:26 GMT
I was chatting with a friend of a friend last night. He is the owner of a cruiser on the Broads, which he described as a Freeman, with a 1.6 inboard Ford Motta. He told me this was a Ford Cortina engine, but that Ford produced them directly to the boat industry already. marinised. I wondered if @gazza or anyone else were aware of these engines, and their thoughts on them. Rog I had a 1600 crossflow based motor in my first boat, a 23ft Callum craft on the Lancaster Canal, seemed ok to me never had any problems in the 4 odd years I had it. The issue of getting petrol to it was a pain, luckily Theres a garage situated right next to the canal at Billsborrow.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2019 13:18:11 GMT
The guy was telling me the only issue he's had with the engine was repeatedly failing starter motors. He eventually examined the starter motor and realised that he could effect a repair so that the teeth engage deeper. Never had a problem since. (Crap description, sorry, but he's a very hands on type ... and I am definitely not ) Rog
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Post by JohnV on Mar 29, 2019 20:43:40 GMT
I was chatting with a friend of a friend last night. He is the owner of a cruiser on the Broads, which he described as a Freeman, with a 1.6 inboard Ford Motta. He told me this was a Ford Cortina engine, but that Ford produced them directly to the boat industry already marinised. I wondered if @gazza or anyone else were aware of these engines, and their thoughts on them. Rog History of the WaterMota Engines WaterMota have been producing marinised engines since 1911, ever changing and modernising their products, they have gone on to become main distributors for DooSan and Westerbeke engines. .www.sheridanmarine.com/watermotaThe Doosan (originally called Daiwoo (re-named Doosan presumably to separate it in peoples mind from Daiwoo Cars) who were a proper marine engineering and shipbuilding company, it is the engine I have fitted in Sabina H, a normally aspirated 8 litre 6 cylinder long stroke engine ..... lovely bit of kit
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2019 20:51:00 GMT
History of the WaterMota Engines WaterMota have been producing marinised engines since 1911, ever changing and modernising their products, they have gone on to become main distributors for DooSan and Westerbeke engines.Β .www.sheridanmarine.com/watermotaThe Doosan (originally calledΒ DaiwooΒ (re-named Doosan presumably to separate it in peoples mind from Daiwoo Cars) who were a proper marine engineering and shipbuilding company, it is the engine I have fitted in Sabina H,Β Β a normally aspirated 8 litre 6 cylinder long stroke engine ..... lovely bit of kit That make very good Forklift Trucks too - I've looked at a pair of identically powered 5.5T GM v6 powered trucks - a lovely well thought out Doosan that was a fitters dream and the shity awful fitters nightmare Hyster we ended up with - as Leslie Crowther would say Except the price wasn't right as far as I am concerned - Awkward Yankee piece of shit π¨π¨π¨π¨π€¬π§π€¦ββοΈ I did not have enough clout to sway the cheque writer π
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2019 20:54:21 GMT
Watermota originated in Hampton Wick which is where I lived as a teenager. I still would live there if I hadn't been a twat and decided to live on boats rather than land when I was 20. quite a nice place really but glad I don't live there
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