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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2019 7:43:54 GMT
Confucius says- 'Seek confrontation with a public body and you will surely find it'. Or put another way 'be an awkward twat and eventually it could bite you on the arse'. It always amazes me that some people fail to see that any authority, and I mean any authority, be it an individual or a group, when given set powers will always attempt to extend and increase those powers.
It seems to be inherrent in human behaviour.
Each and every attempt by an authority to step beyond its bounds needs to be met with resistance. Failure to do so results in the loss of such freedoms and rights that the public posess.
There is already a format available to CRT to check if insurance is valid .... They have the name of your insurer and they can check with them to see if it is valid, a far more reliable method that sending threatening emails.
If investigation shows that your insurance has ceased with that company it would be fair of them to demand details of any new policy with any other company in case you have changed companies.
Suppose that because of problems with boats failing to comply with the bylaws they introduced a T&C that said you had to provide a good behaviour bond of £10, would you pay it ?
If in a further 5 years the bond had been incrementally increased to £500 and you objected ..... well why have you been paying it up till then if it wasn't a "legal"* requirement ?
* in CRT's eyes and also as the past shows, possibly a magistrate's
Any attempt at increase of power needs to meet immediate opposition
So on the one hand crt are being criticised for being overstaffed with pen pushers but on the other hand some want to increase the administritive burden by having them chase insurance details with the companies when all is required is a simple response to the originally sent email. The good behaviour bond is a nonsensical and irrelevant notion BTW.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2019 7:47:26 GMT
For Allan's info, we have received no such extra request CRT to prove we have insurance.However, I see no harm in sending copies of the insurance papers to them PROVIDING THAT everyone else has to do the same. For one person only suggests harrassment, and I'd consider getting in touch with Plod if it continues. Which proves nothing, it just shows you havent been randomnly selected to demonstrate you have cover. Plod would laugh in anybodies face who tried to claim this was 'harassment'.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2019 7:50:35 GMT
It suggests the chances of a randomnly distributed letter hitting members of a forum which has a couple of dozen active members set against thousands of boaters are low to zero. Which suggests Alllan is being targeted. Make yourself a cup of tea and give youself another half an hour to wake up. No it doesnt, stop being an idiot. It suggests he has been randomnly selected just like Patty was (I take it you missed her post).
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2019 8:01:54 GMT
Are insurance companies allowed to provide the info to CRT without seeking permission from the policy holder? A reasonable question i would say. Obviously motor insurance companies can supply cover information to the police but can boat insurers supply such information to a body like CRT without your permission? Questionable at the very least?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2019 8:02:11 GMT
There does seem to be an inconsistency in some of the well deserved complaints regarding C&RT.
But either, they are utterly incompetent in performing the roll of a navigation authority, with no grasp on the fundemental requirements whether in duties related to maintenance, repair or administrative functions or ...
they are a macheavellian evil empire seeking a form of 'ethnic cleansing' of the waterways, leaving them undisturbed other than by approved, marina dwelling, I.W.A. members.
I have always favoured the incompetence and mismanaged theory.
These administrative glitches are extremely annoying and frustrating I accept, but speedily resolving issues isn't particularly difficult or time consuming.
Rog
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Post by Allan on Apr 12, 2019 8:06:30 GMT
On the contrary, I try to make life easy for myself. I provided an updated copy of my insurance certificate (showing the new expiry date) when I applied for my last licence despite being told that this is not required. Allan you are well known for being anti crt, no matter whether they are right or wrong. Stop being a pillock and just send what is being asked for. You don't read before writing, do you? They already have a copy of the insurance certificate.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2019 8:10:14 GMT
There does seem to be an inconsistency in some of the well deserved complaints regarding C&RT. But either, they are utterly incompetent in performing the roll of a navigation authority, with no grasp on the fundemental requirements whether in duties related to maintenance, repair or administrative functions or ... they are a macheavellian evil empire seeking a form of 'ethnic cleansing' of the waterways, leaving them undisturbed other than by approved, marina dwelling, I.W.A. members. I have always favoured the incompetence and mismanaged theory. These administrative glitches are extremely annoying and frustrating I accept, but speedily resolving issues isn't particularly difficult or time consuming. Rog When we placed our boat on brokerage I seem to recall i got a bit of a snotty email shortly afterwards stating they had noticed I had failed to renew the licence. (It had been put on 'trade plates' by rugby boats). I emailed them back by return and shortly after received an apology for troubling me and to confirm they had updated their records accordingly. It took five minutes to deal with, annoying yes a bit, but easily dealt with.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2019 8:11:23 GMT
Allan you are well known for being anti crt, no matter whether they are right or wrong. Stop being a pillock and just send what is being asked for. You don't read before writing, do you? They already have a copy of the insurance certificate. Yes I do read before writing - As is being suggested, administritive cock up, they do happen. Or as you yourself have confirmed they told you it wasnt required because of the move to randomn checks so probably destroyed it. You seem intent on creating some sort of conspiricy out of sweet mothing.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2019 8:14:25 GMT
I'd just leave it.
If you are confident they do have valid details for your insurance then there isn't a problem. If they do in fact terminate the license surely you can then take action against them.
I know that some boat license payers are not insured they just put bullshit on the form. Spot checks are a bit hit and miss really.
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Post by Allan on Apr 12, 2019 8:17:35 GMT
There does seem to be an inconsistency in some of the well deserved complaints regarding C&RT. But either, they are utterly incompetent in performing the roll of a navigation authority, with no grasp on the fundemental requirements whether in duties related to maintenance, repair or administrative functions or ... they are a macheavellian evil empire seeking a form of 'ethnic cleansing' of the waterways, leaving them undisturbed other than by approved, marina dwelling, I.W.A. members. I have always favoured the incompetence and mismanaged theory. These administrative glitches are extremely annoying and frustrating I accept, but speedily resolving issues isn't particularly difficult or time consuming. Rog Do you mean inconsistency or consistency?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2019 8:20:25 GMT
I'd just leave it. If you are confident they do have valid details for your insurance then there isn't a problem. If they do in fact terminate the license surely you can then take action against them. What seriously bad advice that is. How can he be confident they have a copy when they clearly do not appear to? And why go through all that chew when it can be solved very easily at this stage. No wonder some boaters land themselves in the shit, yes CRT are aresholes at times but for gawds sake.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2019 8:25:52 GMT
There does seem to be an inconsistency in some of the well deserved complaints regarding C&RT. But either, they are utterly incompetent in performing the roll of a navigation authority, with no grasp on the fundemental requirements whether in duties related to maintenance, repair or administrative functions or ... they are a macheavellian evil empire seeking a form of 'ethnic cleansing' of the waterways, leaving them undisturbed other than by approved, marina dwelling, I.W.A. members. I have always favoured the incompetence and mismanaged theory. These administrative glitches are extremely annoying and frustrating I accept, but speedily resolving issues isn't particularly difficult or time consuming. Rog Do you mean inconsistency or consistency? I meant what I wrote, and forgive me, but I thought it was clear. An administrative error once again. No grassy knoll. Rog
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2019 8:27:01 GMT
Are insurance companies allowed to provide the info to CRT without seeking permission from the policy holder? Maybe that’s why CRT are asking the policy holder to provide the evidence via these spot checks? I suppose from CRT’s point of view they don’t have the same powers, as say the DVLC, and have to assert authority and make checks by other means. That doesn’t necessarily mean that ‘authority’ is always wrong. The danger is that in the future CRT (or whatever it will be called in the future) will be given the same powers we are all subjected to by the DVLC. It could end up being policed the same way too with cameras and direct automated links between BSC, insurance and licence. The waterways are one of the last places left that we can all get some peace, quiet and well being. Those, maybe who haven’t retired yet, perhaps should ask themselves, do you want to see OUR waterways go that way?
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Post by peterboat on Apr 12, 2019 8:33:57 GMT
Are insurance companies allowed to provide the info to CRT without seeking permission from the policy holder? A reasonable question i would say. Obviously motor insurance companies can supply cover information to the police but can boat insurers supply such information to a body like CRT without your permission? Questionable at the very least? All car insurance is on a MID [[motor insurance database] so police know you are insured, MOTd and Taxed before they stop you
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Post by naughtyfox on Apr 12, 2019 8:46:44 GMT
Which suggests Alllan is being targeted. Make yourself a cup of tea and give youself another half an hour to wake up. No it doesnt, stop being an idiot. It suggests he has been randomnly selected just like Patty was (I take it you missed her post). Yes I saw Patty's post - when she first got her boat. Which is reasonable. You are being deliberately opaque this morning, and you know it.
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